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Re: [Amps] Tube Class C operation no Drive power or grid current

To: wlfuqu00@uky.edu, amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Tube Class C operation no Drive power or grid current
From: sm0aom--- via Amps <amps@contesting.com>
Reply-to: sm0aom@telia.com
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2022 09:44:37 +0200 (CEST)
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You are not required to drive the tube into the grid current region in a 
Class-C amplifier.

The definition of Class C operation is a current flow angle of less than 180 
degrees, which
is accomplished by biasing the control grid beyond plate current cutoff. There 
might be a differentiation between
Class C1 and Class C2, similar to Class AB1 and AB2.

"Greatest efficiency is obtained when the input drive to the grid of a Class C 
amplifier is sufficiently high to allow grid current to flow during the more 
positive parts of the positive half-cycles. This is the method of working most 
commonly used and can be referred to as Class C2. If grid current does not 
flow, the mode of operation may be described as Class C1. References to RF 
power amplifiers normally state Class C, whereupon Class C2 operation can 
usually be assumed". 

I believe that "Taschenbuch der Hochfrequenztechnik" goes into more detail 
about this.

As the tube is more efficiently used with grid current or Class C2 it is 
usually tacitly assumed that all Class C operations use grid current.

Regarding suppressor grid modulation, it is a quite simple and inexpensive way 
of obtaining AM without using an expensive and heavy Class B modulator. It had 
a brief popularity in mobile AM gear, especially ship's radio transmitters, 
before WW2 in Europe.

It shares its downsides with other forms of grid modulation which primarily are 
low carrier efficiency and being somewhat difficult to adjust.

In larger suppressor-grid modulated transmitters, an oscilloscope for proper 
modulation adjustment was often included.

73/
Karl-Arne
SM0AOM


 

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Ämne : Re: [Amps] Tube Class C operation no Drive power or grid current

Note:
Zero drive and grid current is only with 3kV plate voltage and as CLASS-C 
Oscillator or Amplifier. (CW, FM, PM)
Notice not the same for 2kV plate voltage but same efficiency.

73
Bill wa4lav
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From: Fuqua, William L. <wlfuqu00@uky.edu>
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 6:09 PM
To: Peter Voelpel <dj7ww@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Tube Class C operation no Drive power or grid current

I was discussing two separate things.
One was Class C CW Oscillator or Amplifier operation

The second was advantage and disadvantages of Suppressor grid modulation.

73
Bill wa4lav
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From: Peter Voelpel <dj7ww@t-online.de>
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 2:54 PM
To: Fuqua, William L. <wlfuqu00@uky.edu>; 'Amplifiers' <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: RE: [Amps] Tube Class C operation no Drive power or grid current

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The RCA data sheet shows the opposite:

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73
Peter, DJ7WW

-----Original Message-----
From: Amps [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Fuqua, William
L.
Sent: Samstag, 8. Oktober 2022 20:38
To: Amplifiers
Subject: [Amps] Tube Class C operation no Drive power or grid current

    Maybe I have not looked at the data sheets very closely , but I was
surprised to find a medium power glass Pentode that required zero grid
current, thus no drive power in class-C operation.  The 4E27, not the A
version

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