Amps
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [Amps] Need Smarter Than I Am Help.

To: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>, "amps@contesting.com" <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Need Smarter Than I Am Help.
From: Joe <nss@mwt.net>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:33:56 -0500
List-post: <mailto:amps@contesting.com>
This IS a valid question.

I am not sure about others, In my case it was 90% Cost. With side effect benefits.

I knew that for high duty cycle modes you should run this amp at reduced power.

I was using the SB-220 at 500 watts output in a RTTY contest. But I guess even that low was not low enough for about 4 hours into the contest the magic smoke that makes this stuff work escaped from the HV transformer.

Shopping around for a replacement transformer gave me a major case of sticker shock. I bet the cost of all the replacements I was finding was close to the cost of the AMP when it was bought new! I was ready to either shelf the amp or sell it.

Then thought, well voltage is voltage, is there anything else out there that can make the same or similar voltages and would work.

And there is, Yes it is considerably larger than the original transformer, so it required some modifications of the chassis of the amp to allow it to fit. But it does fit. Barely!

And it cost 25% of what all the replacement transformers were wanting.

And yes with the raised voltage and the cost savings I decided to make changes to the whole HV section too. Changed to safely handle the new parameters. Whole new caps and resistors, New Harbach HV board etc. I do not know if it is the new cap bank, or the transformer itself, but it is incredibly stiff compared to the stock one that was in there. The HV voltage drop from no load to max out is not even 100 volts! like 3700 no load to 3600 at 2Kw.

The AMP runs stone cold, it is HARD I mean HARD to get the plates to even turn red, never mind the orange that people say it should often do to "Getter". At 1500 Watts OUT, Even with it transmitting a dead carrier, after minutes of making RF, the plates were still gray. At 2Kw+ out, during a normal like Sweepstakes exchange of length, you may get some Red plates. Orange needs the same 2Kw AT A SOLID CARRIER for about a solid minute to get to the orange state.

Yes the output network needs work. Unless I run 1400+ watts all the time. Then the network runs fine!
I have learned that I need more "L"
But that is a work in progress.
Trying to find good new taps was a pain. So in the amp now is a 18uH roller inductor. So now the only thing the output bandswitch is now doing is add that cap when on 80 meters.

Now I am still lost when it comes to this "Q" thing.

And what are the optimal settings for this network. That roller changes everything.

I can get a perfect 1 to 1 match, with the Plate cap at absolute minimum meshed state, and I also can get a perfect match, with the cap like 50% meshed, like where it would be normally on 40 meters, but still on ten. By the roller being in a different place. And of course anywhere in-between.

I am learning this combo of different values of plate cap and the inductor, is what determines the level of that mysterious "Q" but then again I may be wrong here.

The AMP is like 99% ready to be put into service,. Just need the help with this "Q" Stuff, and to discover what to do with the plate cap and "L" values for optimal performance.

Joe WB9SBD

On 10/11/2021 4:49 AM, Rob Atkinson wrote:
Why do some of you guys want to jack up the plate v. on your 3-500s?
The power difference won't be noticed and you'll create a cascade of
problems.  You still have the same plate dissipation and plate current
limits.  The pi network won't work, the DC blocking caps may become
marginal, the power supply filter cap bank may get stressed and the
IMD spec. gets worse.  If you want to jack up the B+ get a 3-1000Z.

73

Rob
K5UJ
_______________________________________________
Amps mailing list
Amps@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps


_______________________________________________
Amps mailing list
Amps@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>