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Re: [Amps] SB-220 tick,tick,tick

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Subject: Re: [Amps] SB-220 tick,tick,tick
From: Manfred Mornhinweg <manfred@ludens.cl>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 18:19:23 +0000
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Steve,

I have had that same thing happen a few times, in various HV power supplies. Not just in ham amps, also in industrial equipment. In every case I had the cause was an open bleeder resistor. The voltage on the cap with the open bleeder will rise fast and cause an arc discharge, outside or inside the cap.

I even had a case where it happened in a relatively low voltage supply, that used a single filter cap, and had no bleeder. Due to very narrow but tall spikes on the power line, this capacitor was charging to several times the normal voltage, when there was zero load! Adding a bleeder resistor fixed the problem.

the equalizing resistors are not the original - they are 100K, rather than the original 30K. The electrolytics are Nichicon 200uF, 450 WV, 85 degree C. That's probably not original, either.

It's common practice to replace original bleeder resistors by higher value ones, when replacing the caps, because modern caps have far less leakage than antique ones. Higher bleeder resistance means less heat in that area, and thus a longer life span for the caps. This is fine as long as you don't have too strong spikes on your power line! But if you have them, and the whole HV is shooting skywardards, that would register on the HV meter.

And of course the resistors must be types suitable for the voltage. Many resistors are rated for 250V max, and will fail open at higher voltages, even if the power dissipation is well within their rating. Consider a 500V rating the bare minimum. More is better. An alternative are 2 or 3 series-connected resistors in each position.

> I don't see any cracked resistors.

Measure them. They can go open without any visible crack.

Best course of action ? Replace the electrolytics ?

Check the resistors first. Since the caps might charge themselves to several volts, even after having shorted them, due to dielectric absorption, it might be hard to measure the resistors while connected. You might have to lift one end of each from the circuit, to measure them. And if you are very unlucky, this bending and heating might temporarily fix a crack and make a bad resistor measure fine! Thus my advise is to NOT lift them. Instead let the caps discharge as much as possible, by letting the thing stand disconnected for a night, and then apply a low, safe voltage to the capacitor chain. 12V should be fine, or something higher too. Use what you have. Then use a high impedance multimeter (any digital one will do) to measure the voltages on the individual caps. If they are all roughly equal, the resistors are fine, and the caps probably too. If instead almost the full voltage appears on a single cap, or else the caps have very different voltages on them, it's time to unsolder the resistors and check them, and also to measure the capacitance and ESR of each capacitor.

Manfred


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