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Re: [Amps] Alpha 87A Fault 17

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 87A Fault 17
From: Charlie Young <weeksmgr@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:52:16 +0000
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Several folks have responded to my thread about the Alpha 87A fault 17.  In 
particular Bruce W2SE has taken an interest in this problem, even though he has 
no 87A and we have exchanged several email messages.  Thanks to all who 
responded.  Here is an update for those interested.


Summarizing, this amp came to me after a blower change by the owner.  The amp 
was not working prior to the change and it was giving several faults which are 
not known to me.  After the blower change,  the amp remained inoperable.  My 
friend asked for help.


I fixed a couple of minor issues in the RF output compartment which could be 
seen with a visual inspection.  After checking and double checking all the 
circuit board plug connections and doing ohmmeter tests for faults, I attempted 
to power the amp with the HV disconnected from the tube plates.  It blew the 
step start fuse but this problem was simple to correct.


The amp would power and go into the 3 minute warm up sequence.  HV was normal.  
After the warm up, the amp went into standby state.  When the operate switch 
was pushed, the amp kicked off and generated a hard fault 1.


The issue causing fault 1 was an open wire in the harness between the 
microprocessor board and the output T/R module.

The 87A monitors various voltages such as Rbias, HV, filament current, etc., 
and kicks offline if a key monitored parameter is off or missing.  In this 
case, it was Rbias monitor.  The problem was not in the plug connections, it 
was the actual wire open.


Not only was this wire open between the cpu board and the output t/r module but 
it was also shorted to ground on one side of the cut wire.  I removed the AC 
module and the output TR module to look at the cable harness and could see no 
place where it was obviously pinched.  Finding nothing obvious, I replaced the 
wire.  The existing plugs were used; the new wire was spliced to the old wire 
about 1.5" behind each plug.  This repair allowed the amp to go into operate 
mode.

Finding the defective Rbias monitor wire was a harbinger of things to come.


An attempt to drive the amp with 10W of RF resulted in fault 17.  No IP flicker 
could be seen, it tripped offline so fast.

Considerable time was spent studying the amp bias circuits to confirm 
everything was working.  I tested the voltage drop across the pins and even the 
current flow through the TX pins.  The rig received when hooked to the amp, so 
I thought the rx pin diodes were OK. The input and output wattmeters had a 
difference when driven with the amp in standby.  This is where we were when the 
Amps Reflector message was posted.


This brings us to the present situation.  I have another wiring harness 
problem.  This time, it is an open wire in the operate line which activates the 
input and output relays.  The input and output relays are wired in series. The 
source voltage is a about 34VDC from a driver on the microprocessor board.  
This circuit goes first to the tube deck compartment where the little input 
relay is located, then goes from the tube deck up to the output t/r board where 
the larger output relay resides.  The connecting wire between the tube deck and 
output t/r board is open.   I suppose having the relay coils in series provided 
an interlock function, so that one relay would not be open and the other 
closed.  Theoretically both relays would have to be in the same state.


Not only is the connecting wire between the two relays open, the associated 
wire that interconnects the chassis ground on both boards is shorted to the 
chassis, with both plugs disconnected from their respective boards.   The wire 
should be floating, but it is grounded.  I discovered this when considering 
stealing this ground wire to replace the other broken wire.  Both boards have 
local chassis ground.  It is a simple DC relay circuit.  The interconnecting 
ground wire would be redundant. Good thing I tested it first!  This grounding 
and opening of the wires in the harness is consistent with what happened with 
the Rbias monitor wire.   There is a serious problem in the wiring harness that 
must be found.

My next efforts will focus on this issue, even if I have to completely reverse 
the blower change procedures.


Here is the kicker. I think these relays were operating during my first tests, 
but have convinced myself  this might be wrong.  My short term memory is not 
the best.  I have to move my medicine bottles around when taking pills, because 
I will forget if a pill was just taken or not.   I take the pill, move the 
bottle to a completed area.  As each pill is taken, the bottle is moved to the 
completed area.  Sad, but this is the only foolproof way.  One of the benefits 
of aging.  I can live with it, just need to make adjustments.  Better than the 
alternative.


Why am I uncertain about the relays?  Well, the relays being open fooled the 
CPU and the terminal monitoring program as well.  The amp will go into operate 
mode on the front panel, the operate led will light, and the monitor program 
shows the amp moves to operate from standby.   If you key the amp with a 
footswitch, the pin diode bias will change state from receive to transmit.  The 
tube will draw idle current.  The input and output wattmeters are in the 
circuit all the time.  On the input wattmeter, a tap feeds RF into the 
frequency counter, which can detect RF drive even if the input and output 
relays remain open.  If the amp is on a different band from the transmit RF, 
the amp band segment will change and the presets will move;  the input/output 
relays are open during the retuning process anyway.  Only after the amp resets 
the band info will the relays close.


If the relays were open and the amp were driven with RF, the thing should 
immediately fault.   There is at least an even chance this was the problem 
after we fixed the fault 1/open Rbias monitor line issue.   I have convinced 
myself it is at least possible these relays were not closing but I just assumed 
they were; the amp and computer said it was in operate mode.  When I drove it 
with RF it looked like it was in operate mode.


If I missed this relay problem, it was a fundamental oversight.  On a 
conventional amp, the relays would be the first thing I check, after confirming 
filament voltage and HV.  The time was not wasted though, because the process 
of troubleshooting was educational about pin diodes and the amp control 
circuits in general.


Now we will check the wiring harness again, run a new relay wire, and see just 
how bad my short term memory is!  I  actually hope the amp works after this 
wire  repair. If it is still inoperable, we will keep digging!


Regarding this wire problem, I can envision a scenario where this open operate 
wire became grounded  by whatever cut it.  If this occurred, the circuit to 
ground for the input relay would have been completed, and it would have 
energized with the full 34VDC across it.  The output relay would have remained 
open.  The amp if driven could have made power into an open circuit on the 
output side.  Fault time again.   We are not going to borrow trouble!


73 Charlie N8RR



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