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Re: [Amps] {Collins} Understanding Screen Current in a Tetrode

To: "Mike Waters" <mikewate@gmail.com>, <collins@listserve.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] {Collins} Understanding Screen Current in a Tetrode
From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.qozzy.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:17:53 -0500
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Maximum allowable screen current is not the correct way. You tune for a screen current PEAK and then use the load control to reach a maximum RF output while keeping the screen current within limits, All tetrodes/pentodes in good condition and without excessive drive will reach the output peak well before the current limit. Tired tubes will have to be driven and loaded harder (more Tune C). A GG tube of any number of grids is no different, you are just watching a different meter designator. Screen and grid are always peaked.

Having two forums on your TO: list is not a good idea as most of us are not subscribed to both.

Carl
KM1H



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From: "Mike Waters" <mikewate@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 6:51 PM
To: <collins@listserve.com>; <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] {Collins} Understanding Screen Current in a Tetrode

Are you saying that we should always tune a grid-driven tetrode linear amp
for the maximum screen current allowed by the manufacturer?

Well, that would have been 30 or 40 mA on my homebrew AB1 grid-driven
4X150A amp. I think that would have been 30 or 40 mA too much! :-)

It would be interesting to see what the people on the AMPS reflector have
to say about this.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 5:15 PM, David C. Hallam <david.hallam@knology.net>
wrote:

For a GRID Driven tetrode amplifier, the correct way to tune and load is;
apply dome drive and dip and load in the normal so that you have some
indication of resonance.  At that point this is what you do.  Keep
increasing the drive and adjusting the loading for maximum screen current, check the tuning occasionally. You keep doing this until you reach one or
the other of two conditions.  One, You reach the maximum screen current
allowed by the manufacturers spec or Two, you have applied the maximum
drive you have available.  Once you reach either of the two conditions,
reduce the loading just slightly, and you will be properly loaded for the
best IMD your setup will produce. I've been doing this for years on my HB
linears with never a complaint about the quality of my signal.

This is the point of the QST article.

David
KW4DH


On 1/27/2015 4:45 PM, Tony Sokol wrote:

Hi Kurt,
    Good information because it backs up what I have been reading.
EVERYONE tells you that monitoring the screen current is important but they really do not say what to look for or what to do about it. From reading the spec. sheet on the 4CX-1000A a comment is made that some tubes may exhibit
a negative screen current as much as -25Ma. I did read that having the
loading capacitor meshed too far will raise the voltages (and heat) in the tank circuit. I also have read that when the screen goes positive the IMD goes to pot and you start splattering. I guess the way to go is to tune up for max output with minimum plate current and then back off the loading to
keep the meter at or under "0" screen current.  As far as the screen
current goes...positive is not good and negative (within reasonable limits ie. >20Ma) is nothing to worry about as long as the screen voltage remains
stable.  There was one other comment about dipping the screen current
around "0" like you would with the plate meter I assume. I will try using that theory tonight on the net and see what happens. So far it seems to be
running cooler and I had several unsolicited reports of "great sounding
signal". With all of the 30S-1's out there I am surprised that we haven't
seen more on proper tuning procedures for it.

73
Tony - W9JXN


On 1/27/2015 2:51 PM, W6ph--- via Collins wrote:

FYI, there is an excellent article about screen current on page 26 or
July
1961 QST.  In the article it says that negative screen current is not
unusual.  But it also says that maximizing screen current (within its
limit) is
the best indication of resonance. It also says that a tetrode amplifier should never be tuned for maximum output as is common for cathode driven
(grounded control grid) amplifiers.
  Kurt W6PH


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