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Re: [Amps] complicated Bias circuit

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Subject: Re: [Amps] complicated Bias circuit
From: "Paul Christensen" <w9ac@arrl.net>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 08:01:32 -0400
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"I think there is no QSK because this amplifier is designed to be either keyed, or off it is from a TX only system. I wanted to modify it for TX/RX by adding a relay in the bypass line of R20 to put the amplifier in standby during RX."

It looks like they're capable of supplying some well-constructed amps to the ISC markets. Unless there's a specific requirement from a customer, they wouldn't ordinarily supply QSK circuitry, especially at the power level for their target market. The facilities look nice too. Would love to have access to their production equipment.

http://www.ampsystems.com/asiprod-old.htm

Paul, W9AC

----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Decker" <kg7hf@comcast.net>
To: "MU 4CX250B" <4cx250b@miamioh.edu>
Cc: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] complicated Bias circuit


Hi Jim,

Thanks, that is what I needed to get me going. I couldn't see the exact need for the T2 circuitry since D17 and D18 were still the traditional high power 50W zeners. I would have thought since there was a secondary bias supply that some sort of lower wattage bias circuit would have been in place but it appears this is just a traditional bias.


After looking at the schematic for a while I just had to ask what the heck T2 was doing since it didn't really make sense it was needed.

Thanks for the explanation!
Paul
kg7hf


----- Original Message ----- From: MU 4CX250B <4cx250b@miamioh.edu> To: Paul Decker <kg7hf@comcast.net> Cc: amps@contesting.com Sent: Mon, 05 May 2014 02:22:36 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Amps] complicated Bias circuit Paul, In standby, the 24V from T2 just biases the tube(s) to cutoff. R20 by itself would almost do this, but without the 24V there would still be some small cathode current in standby which could generate noise. When the amp is operating, the 24V biases the Zener diode that establishes the tube operating bias. R22 sets the bias current through the Zener diode. Without the 24V, the tube cathode current would bias the Zener diode, but the regulation would suffer (causing non-linearity) at low currents. The 24V eliminates that possibility. It strikes me as a bit odd that, since the designers went to the trouble of building a 24V power supply, that they didn't just go ahead and implement electronic bias switching, which facilitates QSK operation. 73, Jim W8ZR Sent from my iPhone > On May 4, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Paul Decker wrote: > > > FYI, if it helps any, this goes to a 3cx800A7 amplifier of some sort. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Decker > To: amps@contesting.com > Sent: Mon, 05 May 2014 01:18:47 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: complicated Bias circuit > > > Hi builders. > > Hopefully you all can view this schematic. > > I'm trying to understand what T2 and associated circuitry do. D17 and D18 seem like a simple bias circuit as SW3 selects between "class C" and "class AB1" It seems opening R20 puts tube in standby (RX). > > What is the point of having 24VDC from T2? Is it to have a smaller wattage D17 and D18? > > > https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/10289874_10202768703951918_1823401065078063020_n.jpg > > > Thanks in advance, > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Amps mailing list > Amps@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/m
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