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Re: [Amps] 160M PI network Toroidal Coil

To: "Bill Turner" <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>, "Amps" <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] 160M PI network Toroidal Coil
From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 09:28:36 -0400
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Turner" <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>
To: "Amps" <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] 160M PI network Toroidal Coil


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On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 00:25:36 +0000, Manfred wrote:

You are wrong regarding the loss. The loss isn't "essentially zero",
unfortunately. Such a coil will likely end up having a Q between 300 and
350, perhaps lower if other metal objects are too close to it, or if it
uses some lossy support. Now if the loaded Q of the tank circuit is 12,
as is often done by design, then the coil will loose about 4% of the RF
power. At 1500W output that would be 60 watts, which is enough to make
that coil very hot, unless there is a strong stream of air cooling it.

REPLY:

I stand by what I said. I have such a coil in my homebrew 8877 amp using #4
wire and it runs barely warm with the key down. I call that "essentially
zero" in the sense you'll never notice it.

73, Bill W6WRT

However the thread is about a SB-220 which may make 1300W PEP on a good day and will never be used for RTTY at more than half that due to the wimpy PS.

A pair of T200-2 toroids works fine for that as well as the thousands of Alphas and other amps that have used them at up to twice the power.

Carl
KM1H
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