OOPS. I misstated that, it is not a A7 lower mu.
The actual EIMAC type is a ML-7482. If I recall there is a 3CV200,000
assignment for
the tube as well.
14.5 volt filament 450Amps.
Now that is some filament current.
I called Reid Brandon years ago to ask about dud value.
Apparently, not much call for them these days. I expect they
were use in inductive heating systems.
The low water conductivity is not needed since with the solid state the high
power
SS devices due to the low potentials.
73
Bill wa4lav
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From: Amps [amps-bounces@contesting.com] on behalf of Fuqua, Bill L
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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 11:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Amps] Solid state amplifier cooling
low pH is required to keep the resistivity high. Also, low mineral content
keeps the scale deposits from forming in the boilers. Low O2 prevents oxidation
of the anode.
I have a 3cv200,000A7 dud I keep around just to look at once and a while. It is
very heavy. Waiting for price of copper to go up. Hi Hi.
I did check on the dud value but by the time you pay shipping it is not worth
it.
73
Bill wa4lav
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From: Amps [amps-bounces@contesting.com] on behalf of John Lyles
[jtml@losalamos.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 9:03 PM
To: amps@contesting.com
Subject: [Amps] Solid state amplifier cooling
As Jim mentioned, multiphase cooling is the way it is done these days in high
power RF tubes. The large Eimac and Thales tubes use it, as do the big MW
klystrons for scientific work. We use this technique in our new amplifiers at
work, but it isn't something that hams should desire, as it requires very pure
low oxygen and low copper in water. It requires that pH and dissolved oxygen be
monitored along with resistivity. The devices that use this technique must be
designed so that the vapor phase re-condenses in the device, in tubes right in
the jacket or 'boiler'. Out of this comes warm water, like a conventional water
cooled tube.
Example from work: a 7835 triode from Burle Industries (RCA) requires 150 GPM
to dissipate 250 kW conventionally. A TH628 Tetrode from Thales requires about
65 GPM for same dissipation, or can operate 1 MW plate dissipation with about
120 GPM. HUGE difference in effectiveness. But not something I would recommend
for kW level of RF and DC power.
73
John
K5PRO
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:15:54 -0600
> From: MU 4CX250B <4cx250b@miamioh.edu>
> To: amps@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Message-ID: <963402869080783179@unknownmsgid>
> CSolid state amplifier cooling
>
> Interesting idea, Bill. I wonder if folks on the reflector have tried
> vapor phase cooling? In principle, that should be the most effective
> cooling scheme of all, given the high latent heat of vaporization of
> water. Of course, the devil is in the details, and the practicalities
> might be too burdensome. This is an interesting discussion.
>
> Jim w8zr
>
> ## Vapour phase is not as good as you think it is. If u look at any old
> paper copy
> of eimacs care and feeding, re vapour phase cooling., you will see that the
> max effect
> occurs at 135 C..and not 100 C. That entire section is not in the latest
> online version,
> too bad. 100 C is too high for SS devices..and 135 C is clearly way too
> much.
>
> ## Then you also have the problem with bubbles forming on the surface of
> what ever you are trying to cool. Tubes made for vapour phase cooling
> have rough surfaces, to break up the bubbles.
>
> ## Eimac sez that forced air is good for 50 w per sq cm of anode area. And
> 135 W
> for vapour phase cooling. Water cooling is the best at 1000 w per sq cm.
>
> ## the ultimate setup is multiphase cooling..a combo of water-vapour- then
> back to water
> cooling. But that would be difficult to implement on a SS device.
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