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Re: [Amps] Source of Mica Caps?

To: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Source of Mica Caps?
From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:14:37 -0400
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IMO, you gotta be nuts to use grid caps + chokes on any 3-500Z amp.
** OH? So you and a few other glorified techs want to argue with 
experienced
engineers that designed the amps? I give them the benefit of the doubt
considering the number of Heath, Drake, KW, and other amps out there that
far exceed the very little minority that believe "if it aint broke dont fix
it"

## engineers that designed the amps ? Surely you are joking right ? They are not engineered, more like ill conceived. The heath needs a real bandswitch, with a real detent. And 6:1 verniers for both tune + load.............+ step start ..+ a standby-operate switch etc, etc.
** The Heath were cost reduced but the switch was used in other 1000W INPUT 
amps as was the law when it was designed in the 60's.
OTOH, some other companies never had a real engineer and one still doesnt.

## On a side note, a buddy in W7 land with a SB-221 tells me he has severe 
TVI  into his neighbours
satellite setup.... but only on 17M.  I get him to grnd the grids.   He 
did so but with using just ONE piece of
solder wick, and ground one grid pin per tube only.  He left the caps + 
choke in place.  Presto, TVI gone.
But that may have been one of the caps  acting up on 17M, dunno.   he was 
using a F-12 20-17-15-12-10m
yagi.  Drive power dropped at least 20w, and amp is stable with stock 
suppressors.
** Those caps can get troublesome if whacked by an arc/short. So can the 
chokes, especially when the pi's slam together or turns shorted internally.
##  Another friend has a very unstable TL-922.  He installs  richs 
nichrome and all is well.   he tries bonding the
grids to chassis, and drive requirements drop 20-25 w.  Amp still stable. 
Then he removes the nichrome and installs
the oem suppressors..and amp is rock stable.   Removes grid bonding 
straps, so grid caps and chokes are back in the
circuit.  Amp is now unstable !  CC  resistors in the oem suppressor’s are 
fine.

** Then he didnt find the problem which is usually a grounding one between the output section and tube chassis.

## This time all 6 grid caps are tossed, + both chokes. been like that for several years now. I must have got email from at least 30-40 folks now who have bonded the grids to chassis on sb-220’s, and also 221, and tl-922.
** And the 1000's of others sold just chug away happily. Im always getting 
emails from those that took advice from myself and others and have been very 
satisfied. I dont count or save them as boasting material.
##  adding a glitch r is no big deal.  25 ohm 25 watt wire wounds, 2 of em 
in series,will allow  one to get them in there. They can be
far apart if you want.   Adding a 50 ohm, 50w  ww to any drake amp is 
easy.  I have done the drakes  by installing in either the
outboard drake hv supply  or the rf deck itself.

## since most folks will add a glitch R of some type to these older amps.....adding a simple HV fuse, just prior to the glitch assy is pretty easy. A single fine strand of the correct gauge, is all that is needed. Then cover the strand with heat shrink, or 88 tape, teflon spaggeti tubing etc. Any anode to grid flashover, and hv fuse opens up..event over...no follow on current either. Drake uses a .82 ohm @ 1/2 watt resistor for a B+ fuse. Blows clean in half. Works just as good as a hv fuse.
** Dentron used a pair of 1 Ohm 1/2W in parallel. National used 1/4 W grid 
and screen resistors.
Lots of things  from 40-50 years ago still work when a tube fails to keep 
other parts from blowing up.Its when the power level gets above 3KW or so 
that things get touchy.
I know a guy who blew a 4X 8877 amp by not providing even basic fault 
tolerance into it
Carl


A hv fuse will open up a lot faster than any 240 vac mains relay /contactor. 2 msecs vs 35 mecs/.
Jim   VE7RF

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