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Re: [Amps] hotswitching 30s1

To: Jim Thomson <Jim.thom@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Amps] hotswitching 30s1
From: James Colville <jimw7ry@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:37:06 -0800
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There is no reason to speed up a vacuum relay. 1.8 mS is more than enough
time.  Please see:


http://home.earthlink.net/~wd7s/updates.htm

73
Jim W7RY


On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Jim Thomson <Jim.thom@telus.net> wrote:

> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:16:28 -0800
> From: "Mike" <noddy1211@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Hotswitching issues 30s-1
>
>
>
> Key the amplifier and send the PTT signal from it to the transceiver!!!
> Alex 4Z5KS
>
> ##  IF you key the amps relays 1st....THEN send a signal back to the xcvr's
> PTT input, what happens is you have now truncated the 1st 2-18 msecs,
> or what ever the amps T/R relay's operate time is.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> How about using one of the simple Heil Foot switches, it has two switches
> and keys the Amp slightly before rig.
>
> This would be the simplest way to address your problem.
>
> ###  great, but now you are stuck on PTT/footswitch mode. The simple
> opto isolator method will eliminate the 15 msec mech spst relay in the
> MK-V. As other's have noted,on CW mode only, the yaesu has  the adjustable
> 0-30 msec  digital delay [buffer] and no dits and dah's  get truncated.
> [Gives
> the T/R relay in the amp a 0-30 msec head start].
>
> ##  the heil footswitch is an excellent footswitch though.  With a
> conventional
> footswitch /ptt... IF u start talking b4 u hit the footswitch,  you will
> have RF
> coming out of the xcvr, b4  relay's in the amp operate.
>
> ##  to get around that problem on the yaesu's.. on ssb mode,  we used an
> external
> 9-12 msec delay circuit, that inhibits the  yaesu's built in TX inhibit
> lead. With that setup,
> you trip the vox, the opto keys the amp, then after the 9-12 msec outboard
> delay, the
> yaesu TX inhibit lead is switched, and RF now flows from the xcvr.  Problem
> solved.
>
> ##  This external 9-15 msec delay is not required, IF the T/R relay's in
> the amp are
> fast.. like sped up vac relays. [1.8 msec]   In our case,  we were using
> slow vac relays
> [RJ2-B]  which have a 18 msec op time.   Even when we tried to speed the
> RJ2-B up, it's
> still only  9 msec operate time.
>
> ## The TX ibhibit lead function on the 1000-D  and  MK-V  are slick,  but
> both operate
> differently.  The 1000/D  requires a simple grnd to ENABLE the TX inhibit
> lead. [ grnd
> on TX].    The MK-V  requires   +12 vdc  to enable it's tx inhibit lead.
>
> ## in the case of the 1000/D.... the opto keys the amp,  and the spst mech
> yaesu relay
> [after 15 msecs]  applies a solid grnd to the TX inhibit lead, THEN  RF
>  flows from the xcvr!
> This works good on SSB, BUT will truncate the 1st 15 msec's  on CW.
>
> later... Jim  VE7RF
>
>
> Mike, K6BR
>
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