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Re: [Amps] (Perhaps) A plate choke too far ...

To: Hardy Landskov <n7rt@cox.net>, amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] (Perhaps) A plate choke too far ...
From: Radio WC6W <wc6w_amps@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:32:16 -0800 (PST)
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Hi Hardy,
  True... but, the DC will "kill" the core at HF.

  Look at the bottom of page 129 on this link

http://fair-rite.com/newfair/pdf/CUP%20Paper.pdf

  to see the ... damage.

  And operating on the curve would also likely introduce some distortion.

73 & Good morning,
  Marv WC6W

http://wc6w.50webs.com/

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Hardy Landskov <n7rt@cox.net> wrote:

> From: Hardy Landskov <n7rt@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] (Perhaps) A plate choke too far ...
> To: "Radio WC6W" <wc6w_amps@yahoo.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 7:36 PM
> The whole object of an RF Choke is to
> kill the gain of the tube at low frequencies and DC while
> looking transparent at 1.8 through 30 MHz right? Mu has no
> meaning a DC, neither does XL.
> I guess I am not understanding this thread.
> Hardy N7RT
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Radio WC6W" <wc6w_amps@yahoo.com>
> To: <amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:06 PM
> Subject: [Amps] (Perhaps) A plate choke too far ...
> 
> 
> >   The other day, just for fun, I swept
> a bunch of ol' RF chokes --  solenoid wound, pie wound,
> etc.  All of them exhibited nasty resonances somewhere
> within the HF spectrum.
> > 
> >   I then wound a few experimental coils
> on some toroids and one on a type 43 core worked
> exceptionally well -- very flat response with no resonances
> anywhere below 50 Mhz.
> > 
> >   The only gotcha with this part is
> that in a real world application the DC plate current would
> saturate the toroid, killing the mu & the uH's.
> > 
> >   Now here's where this concept crosses
> over in the silly side...
> > 
> >   The saturation problem could be
> overcome by running an out of phase DC current, servoed by
> the plate I, through a 2nd winding on the core.  This
> second winding would need to be RF isolated with a choke of
> its own but, for a single turn winding a 10uH (air core)
> choke would be sufficient. The required single turn current
> would be on the order of 10-15 amps. Sounds bad but, no real
> voltage is required -- 10 Amps at .1 volt is only a
> watt.  In a fortunate circumstance, this current might
> be obtained "free" in series from a DC heater supply.
> > 
> >   Searchin' around the all knowing
> internet only uncovered a similar scheme to cancel the plate
> DC in an "audiophile" single ended output transformer.
> > 
> >   Has anyone ever see this done?
> > 
> > 73 & Good evening,
> >   Marv WC6W
> > 
> > http://wc6w.50webs.com/
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > *
> > 
> > 
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