Amps
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [Amps] Transformer heating (problem?)

To: "Jim W7RY" <w7ry@arrl.net>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Transformer heating (problem?)
From: "David Craig" <davidhcraig@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:47:42 -0500
List-post: <amps@contesting.com">mailto:amps@contesting.com>
    Hi Jim,

    Purchased it from WA1JOF about 2 years ago when I started this project- 
I can't recall if he ever used it, though I doubt it given the severe 
current loop problem it had when I powered it up the first time.
    Is a "Heritage", marked 240V on the primary & "common", "2800", "2875", 
"2925" & "3000" on the secondaries.  I have not checked primary current draw 
on it, but with some work placing a meter between the transformer primary & 
the relay/filament/etc I could do so.  Guess that is the logical next step, 
though it obviously is drawing more than the few mils from the equalizers & 
the dropping R given the heat.  It does this every time I power it up, or at 
least I presume so given that I have only had it online for a couple weeks 
and isn't on much given that 6m isn't exactly open regularly this time of 
yr.

    73 Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim W7RY" <w7ry@arrl.net>
To: "David Craig" <davidhcraig@verizon.net>; <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Transformer heating (problem?)


> What is this transformer's history? Where did it come from? What was it 
> used for? Some sort of intermittent duty type of device like an industrial 
> welder or similar? Is it really 240 volt primary? How much current is it 
> drawing on the primary when it does this?
>
>
>
> 73
> Jim W7RY
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Craig" <davidhcraig@verizon.net>
> To: <amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:37 PM
> Subject: [Amps] Transformer heating (problem?)
>
>
>>    Corollary to a previous issue with a B+ transformer I passed thru the 
>> group a while back, which before I repaired it had a current loop due to 
>> bad/no insulation on the core bolts.  Transformer has a 240V primary, 
>> 2800-3000V secondary rated at 2 amp CCS.  Is installed & in use on a HB 
>> GS35b 6m amp.  When "module" testing the amp the transformer taps met 
>> specs, measured with a Simpson 260.  Calculations based on measurements 
>> then indicated a 12.5 to 1 ratio.
>>    Fast-forward to completed amp...After some occassional use (~30 
>> minutes of total operating time) am having the following "issues."  The 
>> 3000VAC secondary tap is now only putting out 2700VAC with line voltage 
>> measured at 243VAC  (240V mains line is 10 guage wire, a 10 ft run from 
>> the breaker box & then 6 feet of 12 guage line to the amp...  original 
>> measurement taken with same lines).   The even more disconcerting problem 
>> is that after a couple hours of sitting at "idle" (amp on, power to B+ 
>> but no RF) the transformer iron is getting hot- enough that you wouldn't 
>> want to keep your hand on it for long, and particularly so near the left 
>> & right sides of the core. (Yes, I checked the plate meter & no current 
>> thru tube, bias relay fine).
>>     Lamination bolts remain cold so no more current loop around the 
>> mounting brackets....   I am baffled as to why this thing is getting hot 
>> just idling.  There is no "bleeder" per se on the PS, just 6 x 220k ohm 
>> Rs across each of twelve 450V caps in series.  The only other constant 
>> current draw is a 5 MEG dropping R to the B+ meter.  I am baffled as to 
>> why the transformer laminations would get hot with almost no current 
>> draw, and am concerned that once I really work this thing out during a 
>> contest or Es opening the heat is going to short the secondaries.
>>    Any ideas as to what could be going on?  Is this normal, or as I am 
>> beginning to think, an 86 lb misdesigned piece of junk??? Any input 
>> appreciated.
>>
>>    73 Dave N3DB
>> _______________________________________________
>> Amps mailing list
>> Amps@contesting.com
>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps
>>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.22/1946 - Release Date: 02/10/09 
> 17:44:00
>
> 


_______________________________________________
Amps mailing list
Amps@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/amps

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>