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Re: [Amps] 3CX1500D7 quote

To: "DAVE WHITE" <mausoptik@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] 3CX1500D7 quote
From: "Hsu" <hsu4qro@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:49:50 +0800
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Hi,Dave
 Maybe you are right.But maybe you don't know, No manufacturer are  100% good 
or  bad.
   In same factory,some  products are ver good but the others are very bad, and 
in another factory. 
maybe it is opposite . The reason have two:the first:,the craftsmanship, 
Chinese still like child just graduated from  elementary school in idustrial 
ability ,although he can built a spaceship and nuke.The second,the price, the 
second,Price, your importers often  ask our manufacturers,"cheaper and cheaper",
 There are morethan 5  tube manufacturers in China, the competition eachother 
are intensification. They have to use inexpensive material and use un-skilled  
workers.
     73!Hsu 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DAVE WHITE 
  To: Hsu 
  Cc: amps@contesting.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [Amps] 3CX1500D7 quote


        Hi Hsu - yes, most things are made in China these days :-)  But the 
problem is knowing which tubes are good and which ones are no good.  In my 
experience price isn't usually an indicator.  Like everywhere China has good 
and bad manufacturers.  Our problem here is knowing which we're dealing with!

        I bought some Chinese 572Bs which were great, some 3-500Zs which were 
great, but also some 3-500Zs which were rubbish.  But they all cost about the 
same.

        I think that although by and large in this world you get what you pay 
for, various importers play dirty tricks like passing off cheaper, poor quality 
kit as good quality.  The suppliers and producers come and go, so we don't have 
the same sense of stability, trust and guarantee that we do with established 
suppliers.

        If Eimac (or GE, or GM, or Marks and Spencer....) chose a bad supplier 
in China, they'd put their reputation on the line and their name would be 
dragged through the mud, especially on this forum!  We don't have that 
answerability from a supplier we can't identify.  Perhaps you do!

        As a long-established,  trusted and respected company with whom I've 
had a relationship for some years now, I know who to speak to in Eimac for 
applicaitons advice, who to bounce ideas off, who to get literature from, 
including reprints of application bullein and amateur service newsletters 
articles up to 40 years old (for example the AS53 design considerations article 
I sent out on PDF to this group recently.  It's the same people I first dealt 
with 20 years ago - and that means a lot.  That AS53 pdf was pulled out of the 
library for me, scanned and sent out to me in half an hour, because I have the 
right network.  That's called service and is, I suppose, part of what we pay fo 
in the price.  They know that, even though I'm just a low budget Ham operator 
who buys second-hand tubes and I never paid a cent directly to Eimac.

        Sure, Eimac have to source in China these days to remain remotely 
competitive, who doesn't?   But I know someone who's a buyer of electrical 
goods for a major UK chain of retailers.  He spends 75 percent of his life in 
China and he has to put a tremendous effort into doing that 
relationship-building, commercial contracting, pipeline management and quality 
assurance - all to actually turn in a profit in a tougheconomic climate.  If 
Eimac (or another firm I trust) do that on my behalf then I may regard it as a 
price worth paying - I know how bloody hard my friend works, how pissed off and 
frustrated he gets, and that's worth a few bucks to me!

        kind regards

        Dave G0OIL

        --- On Thu, 8/1/09, Hsu <hsu4qro@gmail.com> wrote:

          From: Hsu <hsu4qro@gmail.com>
          Subject: Re: [Amps] 3CX1500D7 quote
          To: "DAVE WHITE" <mausoptik@btinternet.com>
          Cc: amps@contesting.com
          Date: Thursday, 8 January, 2009, 7:34 PM


Actually some Eimac's tubes were OEM in China.     Hsu----- Original Message 
----- From: "DAVE WHITE" <mausoptik@btinternet.com>To: "'Amps'" 
<amps@contesting.com>; "PeterVoelpel" <df3kv@t-online.de>Sent: Thursday, 
January 08, 2009 8:47 PMSubject: Re: [Amps] 3CX1500D7 quote> Hi Peter> > Well I 
think you must have had more luck with the Chinese tubes than Ihave. Maybe 
they've improved.> > I find it's a very hit-and-miss process with Chinese tubes 
- eitherthey're great or they're hopeless and in some cases don't even fitthe 
socket.> > I suppose that as
 the industry matures in China, we'll start to seebranded tubes and we'll know 
which factories produce the good stuff andwhich don't!> > In the end, I came by 
a few Eimac 3CX3000F7 pulls very cheaply at Daytonso used one of those for my 
big HF amp instead of - as I'd planned - a pairof GS35Bs> > Looking at the way 
the UK Labour Government has trashed the economy andthe subsequent Sterling 
fall against just about every currency (30% against USDin the last 6 months, 
parity with EUR) I'm glad I'm not in the marketfor buying big tubes right now.> 
> Maybe I should have hung on to my box of GS35Bs - I could have doubled 
theUK's export figures!> > cheers> > Dave G0OIL> > --- On Thu, 8/1/09, Peter 
Voelpel <df3kv@t-online.de> wrote:> From: Peter Voelpel <df3kv@t-online.de>> 
Subject: Re: [Amps] 3CX1500D7 quote> To:
 "'Amps'" <amps@contesting.com>> Date: Thursday, 8 January, 2009, 12:22 PM> > I 
bought 10+ GS-35B at 40.-DM in 1999.> Most have been given away to ham friends 
shortly after for theirprojects,> others were used to convert linears.> I 
should have bought 100 that time as well as GU-78 which were around80.-> DM at 
that time, sockets cost 40.-DM then.> > With Chinese tubes my experience is 
very good so far.> I converted a couple of TL-922 and L4B to Chinese 3-500Z, 
those arereally> nice tubes, much better then the Eimac.> A factory nearby is 
using around 400 8877 from China in their generatorsfor> glass coating, they 
paid 450 US$ each.> The tubes are used at voltage regulators for magnetrons and 
replacedAmperex> 4-400B which went out of production 4 years ago.> Two are in 
use at ham friends now for about 3 years, those were
 pulledafter> about 1000 hours.> Grid current is still less then with the 
Eimacs at same output. Since the> tubes are very reliable, I could not obtain 
additional pulls.>>From all the 400 tubes none was replaced so far.> > 73> 
Peter> > > -----Original Message-----> From: amps-bounces@contesting.com 
[mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On> Behalf Of DAVE WHITE> Sent: 
Donnerstag, 8. Januar 2009 12:15> To: Tony Brock-Fisher; Amps@contesting.com; 
Carl> Subject: Re: [Amps] 3CX1500D7 quote> > "Id take an 8877 over a Ruskie any 
day"I guess it depends onprice. > In my> experience the original Russian tubes 
were pretty good, though obviouslynot> as good as Eimac tubes. However, if you 
can buy GS35Bs for the price of a> 8877 (and that was the price in Europe last 
time I looked, a few years>
 ago)......> > I've heard a few bad reports of Russian tubes recently. The 
originalones> we> got in the early 1990s were made for military use, so had to 
be to acertain> standard. The new ones appear increasingly to be built to a 
price.> > I'd certainly avoid the Chinese tubes, since these are just 
churnedout for> export and many I have seen have been of questionalble 
quality.> > The GS35Bs sold like hot cakes in Germany when they first became 
known to> European VHF/UHF amateurs via articles in Dubus etc. I remember 
buying a> huge box full of them at Weinheim in about 1994-ish. They then sat 
around> in my shack for several years until I realised that I'd never usethem,> 
then> I took them back to the same fleamarket a couple of years later and sold> 
them for five times the price. Now I wish I'd kept them, of course!>
 Isn't> that always the way? :-)> > But think on.....one day Eimac will go the 
same way as all the other> manufacturing sector firms that disappeared due to 
cheaper, ofteninferior> foreign competition, and then I think we'd be sorry. 
Famous,> long-established names are disappearing from Britain like youwouldn't> 
believe.> > cheers> > Dave G0OIL> > > --- On Thu, 8/1/09, Carl 
<km1h@jeremy.mv.com> wrote:> From: Carl <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>> Subject: Re: 
[Amps] 3CX1500D7 quote> To: "Tony Brock-Fisher" <barockteer@aol.com>,> 
Amps@contesting.com> Date: Thursday, 8 January, 2009, 3:30 AM> > Id take an 
8877 over a Ruskie any day if I was doing a swap.> > Carl> KM1H> > > ----- 
Original Message -----> From: "Tony Brock-Fisher"
 <barockteer@aol.com>> To: <Amps@contesting.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 
2009 10:06 PM> Subject: Re: [Amps] 3CX1500D7 quote> > >> OK, so how about 
3CX1200A7 at $1139? ('Special Price' at RFParts)>> >> ...or, a GS-35B at $129 
('Buy It Now') !!>> >> (No wonder the AL-1200's are getting retubed Russian 
style!)>> >> -Tony, K1KP>> _______________________________________________>> 
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