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Re: [Amps] rx noise?

To: "'Amps'" <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] rx noise?
From: "David Robbins K1TTT" <k1ttt@arrl.net>
Reply-to: k1ttt@arrl.net
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:06:53 +0000
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The plate voltage fluctuations are from line sag from another amp running
the 160m contest.  I couldn't sort that out last week with the m/m
operation, but yesterday's test showed that the noise occurred independent
of the hv fluctuation, it may have modulated it a bit but wasn't completely
correlated with it.

David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
web: http://www.k1ttt.net
AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of W7RY
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 05:26
> To: 'Amps'
> Subject: Re: [Amps] rx noise?
> 
> I would suspect the HV diodes rather than the filter caps. You did say
> there was plate voltage fluctuations?
> 
> 73
> Jim W7RY
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: David Robbins K1TTT
>   To: 'Amps'
>   Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 3:46 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Amps] rx noise?
> 
> 
>   I really, REALLY hate intermittent problems like this... it wouldn't do
> it
>   cold.  So I started warming it up, after 1/2 hour or so I got the
>   transformer up to 225f, the rf deck surface about 150f, the tubes about
>   130f, the case was nice and toasty... and I got about 15 seconds of
> noise
>   from all of that.  It may have been modulated a bit by line voltage
>   fluctuations from the 160m contest op on the next station, but wasn't
>   dependent on it.  There was no measurable grid or plate current when it
> did
>   it.  I did get to cycle the stby/op switch a couple times and the noise
>   dropped but didn't go away when I went to stby... so perhaps it could be
>   something in the control board oscillating when it hits some particular
>   temperature, but its darn hard to reproduce.
> 
> 
>   David Robbins K1TTT
>   e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>   web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>   AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
> 
> 
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:w4tv@subich.com]
>   > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 18:54
>   > To: 'K1TTT'
>   > Cc: 'Amps'
>   > Subject: RE: [Amps] rx noise?
>   >
>   >
>   > Check the bias switch (relay, transistor, ?).  If cutoff is
>   > not being applied in receive, the tube will generate wideband
>   > noise ("shot" noise).
>   >
>   > 73,
>   >
>   >    ... Joe, W4TV
>   >
>   >
>   > > -----Original Message-----
>   > > From: amps-bounces@contesting.com
>   > > [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Paul Kraemer
>   > > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:57 PM
>   > > To: n8de@thepoint.net; K1TTT
>   > > Cc: Amps
>   > > Subject: Re: [Amps] rx noise?
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > How about from a zener diode in a bias supply.
>   > > They make dandy noise generators and were the source of
>   > > widband rf for the
>   > > old Omega noise bridge. The current to make noise is
>   > > critical, line voltage
>   > > upset could put it at that point?
>   > > Just fuel for thought.
>   > > Paul K0UYA
>   > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > From: <n8de@thepoint.net>
>   > > To: "K1TTT" <K1TTT@ARRL.NET>
>   > > Cc: "Amps" <amps@contesting.com>
>   > > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:24 AM
>   > > Subject: Re: [Amps] rx noise?
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > > Dave,
>   > > > Sounds like a leaky power supply capacitor.  Might be a cold
> solder
>   > > > joint in the capacitor chain. Good luck
>   > > > Don
>   > > > N8DE
>   > > >
>   > > > Quoting K1TTT <K1TTT@ARRL.NET>:
>   > > >
>   > > >> I have a commander hf-2500 (pair of 3cx800a7's, no qsk)
>   > > that seems to
>   > > >> be working fine.  However, during cqww cw last week I had
>   > > to pull it
>   > > >> off the 20m station because it was making a broadband
>   > > noise while on
>   > > >> receive.  I put it back on the station today and it isn't doing
> it
>   > > >> now.  I tried warming it
>   > > >> up a bit and it still didn't do it....though its obviously
>   > > not as warmed
>   > > >> through as after 40 or so hours of cqww.  The only other
>   > > thing I noticed
>   > > >> is
>   > > >> when it was doing it the plate voltage dropped a bit,
>   > > maybe 50-100v, but
>   > > >> I'm
>   > > >> not sure if that was a cause or effect since the line
>   > > voltage sag from
>   > > >> the
>   > > >> other stations can make the hv sag a bit here.  Any ideas
>   > > where to start
>   > > >> looking??
>   > > >>
>   > > >>
>   > > >> David Robbins K1TTT
>   > > >> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>   > > >> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>   > > >> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>   > > >>
>   > > >>
>   > > >>
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