I had an Australian guy ship me a 575A mercury vapor rectifier in a carton
that was only 1" longer and wider than the tube. Naturally it arrived
totally destroyed. He refused to refund my money because he said that it
was packed "nice and tight". It probably broke while he was taking it to the
post office.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Lamb" <k7fm@teleport.com>
To: "Bob Maser" <bmaser@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Fw: failure notice
Hi Bob:
I agree. I have received a number of damaged items. I each case, the
packing was inadequate, and the seller refused to accept responsibility. In
one case, I submitted the package to UPS thinking they would deny the claim
due to packing, which would then assist me in making a claim against the
seller. But, they paid off.
Many people have no clue how to pack. In one case, I bought a surplus
transmitter from an antique dealer, that sold China. The package was
damaged and had almost no packing. I e-mailed her and asked how this could
be. She apologized and said it looked like junk so she did not think it
needed packing. I told her it was more valuable to me than her China. One
corner was dinged and I fixed it, and she found the original manual and sent
it to me as compensation.
Thanks for making this statement. A lot of people still think it is all on
the shipper.
73, Colin K7FM
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Maser <bmaser@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Jun 20, 2005 7:49 AM
To: AMPS <amps@contesting.com>, dhallam@rapidsys.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Fw: failure notice
In the 20 years that I have been shipping electronic equipment via UPS, I
have had ZERO problems. The key is that you have to use common sense when
packing the item. If it is fragile and or has some heavy items bolted to
the chassis, you have to remove them or at least secure them to avoid
inertia taking over. I have toured the UPS hub in Ontario, CA and did not
see any cartons thrown or dropped off a conveyor. What would their
incentive be to do this? Most of this criticism of UPS is unfounded and if
they were not in business we would be at the mercy of the United States Post
Office. Now that's a real scary thought. Anytime you want to justify UPS'
existence, just take a trip to the post office and watch the idiots that
work there and their procedures. Initial, stamp, stamp, lookup, ask if you
need stamps, chat, all while there are many customers waiting.
Bob Maser W6TR
----- Original Message -----
From: "David C. Hallam" <dhallam@rapidsys.com>
To: "Gary Smith" <wa6fgi@sbcglobal.net>; "Amps List" <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Fw: failure notice
> Well, just to keep this thread going; In the case of UPS, I was told at
> our
> local (Pinellas Park, FL) UPS distribution center that an item must be
> packaged securely enough that it will with stand a fall of several feet
> from
> a UPS conveyor system. Also any labels such as "This End Up, Do not Roll,
> etc." can not be applied to packages. On the other hand, I have never had
> any problems with UPS paying off on insurance claims, even where the
> documentation of value might be open to interpretation as the item was an
> antique crystal chandelier.
>
> David C. Hallam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com]On
> Behalf Of Gary Smith
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:33 PM
> To: Amps List
> Subject: [Amps] Fw: failure notice
>
>
>
> Hi Perry and all.
> I never have had the need to use Craters & Freighters, ran into the
> local guy who has the C & F franchise. He told me it's his job to make
> the
> box to so the item can be handled in a safe and as damage free as can be
> accomplished. Went on to state he starts off with a 4'x8' sheet of
> plywood,
> 2"x 4"s, 1"x 4"s and goes on from there.
>
> `Spose the insurance (if it were to go FedEx freight service would be
> on cost level comparable to what they usually charge. I have read on this
> forum that some have had bad luck with FedEx, but I have not. However, I
> travel DIRECTLY to the FedEx shipping facility, not to any of the store
> front drop off points.
>
> Imo, it's well worth the trip to go directly to the shipment receiver,
> not so much cost wise as it is to let them see, hear and understand the
> value of your item they are about to handle.
>
> Gary... wa6fgi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Perry W. Remaklus
> To: Gary Smith
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [Amps] Alpha Service Redux
>
>
> Hello Gary,
>
> What insurance coverage were you able to get for these shipments?
>
> Perry W1COW
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Smith [mailto:wa6fgi@sbcglobal.net]=20
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:58 AM
> To: Amps@Contesting.com; Harold B. Mandel
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha Service Redux
>
> I have info on the local Craters and Freighters guy in =
> northern/central
> cal/northern Nevada should anyone need such. they do very nice work
> getting it the way *you* want it to be
> 73,
> Gary... wa6fgi
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Harold B. Mandel=20
> To: Amps@Contesting.com=20
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha Service Redux
>
>
> In reading some of the recent posts about new
> shipping woes, some of the new developments
> in equipment-shlepping bear discussion:
>
> Many of you remember how both FedEx Express=20
> and UPS separately destroyed two of my amplifiers
> last year, and the resultant tales of woe regarding the
> Claims process.
>
> Since then, I've had to ship other equipment, but this
> time with different carriers and different preparation,
> which then proved successful.
>
> Firstly, ordinary handling (e.g., UPS/FedEx Exp/ USPS)
> is completely disregarded. This leaves the trucking
> industry, with its LTL (Less-Than-Full-Load) freight
> handling abilities.
>
> Secondly, the equipment is crated with 3/4" plywood,
> seams glued and wood-screwed, with 1" X 3"=20
> firring strips on all edges, they themselves glued
> and wood-screwed. On the bottom of the crates are
> 4" x 4" beams with a minimum of 24" space between
> inner surfaces. This way a 24" pallet jack can accommodate
> their movement. The crates are lined with two different=20
> types of resilient material, and the equipment is wrapped
> in two layers of sheet plastic inside the resilient cradle.
>
> On the average, a crate minus the gear weighs in just
> under 100 pounds, but with a five to ten thousand dollar
> amplifier what's the big deal?
>
> I ship under Freight Class 100, (Label: "Mechanism")
> and tell the carriers it's okay to stack on top.=20
> The 3/4" reinforced crate will probably have
> cardboard boxes on it, and it will probably rate its own pallet.
>
> Cross country is two days, and my latest shipment is=20
> 235 pounds, 14 cubic feet and costs $172.00. This is
> with FedEx Freight. Similar shipments have gone with
> Yellow Freight and Overnight Express Freight, all
> without any damage.
>
> There's a business called Craters and Freighters for those
> of you who do not have woodshop capabilities. They can
> build and pad a crate for any size of equipment. =20
>
> It's clear that UPS/FedEx Exp/USPS cannot or will not
> cater to the requirements of people needing to ship
> delicate apparatus. The competition is by Motor
> Freight companies. As long as the items are packed
> in a manner suitable to their environment they succeed
> in quality and timeliness where others clearly drop
> the ball.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Hal Mandel
> W4HBM
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> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Microsoft Sans Serif"> I never have =
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> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Microsoft Sans Serif"> `Spose the =
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> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Microsoft Sans Serif"> Imo, it's =
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> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Microsoft Sans Serif">Gary... wa6fgi</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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> <DIV=20
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> <A title=3Dperry@willbell.com href=3D"mailto:perry@willbell.com";>Perry =
> W.=20
> Remaklus</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Dwa6fgi@sbcglobal.net=20
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 19, 2005 =
> 9:04 AM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Amps] Alpha =
> Service=20
> Redux</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>Hello Gary,<BR><BR>What insurance coverage were you =
> able to get=20
> for these shipments?<BR><BR>Perry W1COW<BR><BR><BR>-----Original=20
> Message-----<BR>From: Gary Smith [mailto:wa6fgi@sbcglobal.net] =
> <BR>Sent:=20
> Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:58 AM<BR>To: <A=20
> href=3D"mailto:Amps@Contesting.com";>Amps@Contesting.com</A>; Harold B. =
>
> Mandel<BR>Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha Service Redux<BR><BR>I have info =
> on the=20
> local Craters and Freighters guy in northern/central<BR>cal/northern =
> Nevada=20
> should anyone need such. they do very nice work<BR>getting it the way =
> *you*=20
> want it to be<BR>73,<BR>Gary... wa6fgi<BR> ----- Original =
> Message -----=20
> <BR> From: Harold B. Mandel <BR> To: <A=20
> href=3D"mailto:Amps@Contesting.com";>Amps@Contesting.com</A> <BR> =
> Sent:=20
> Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:27 AM<BR> Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha =
> Service=20
> Redux<BR><BR><BR> In reading some of the recent posts about=20
> new<BR> shipping woes, some of the new developments<BR> in =
>
> equipment-shlepping bear discussion:<BR><BR> Many of you =
> remember how=20
> both FedEx Express <BR> and UPS separately destroyed two of my=20
> amplifiers<BR> last year, and the resultant tales of woe =
> regarding=20
> the<BR> Claims process.<BR><BR> Since then, I've had to =
> ship other=20
> equipment, but this<BR> time with different carriers and =
> different=20
> preparation,<BR> which then proved successful.<BR><BR> =
> Firstly,=20
> ordinary handling (e.g., UPS/FedEx Exp/ USPS)<BR> is completely=20
> disregarded. This leaves the trucking<BR> industry, with =
> its LTL=20
> (Less-Than-Full-Load) freight<BR> handling =
> abilities.<BR><BR> =20
> Secondly, the equipment is crated with 3/4" plywood,<BR> seams =
> glued and=20
> wood-screwed, with 1" X 3" <BR> firring strips on all edges, =
> they=20
> themselves glued<BR> and wood-screwed. On the bottom of the =
> crates=20
> are<BR> 4" x 4" beams with a minimum of 24" space =
> between<BR> =20
> inner surfaces. This way a 24" pallet jack can accommodate<BR> =
> their=20
> movement. The crates are lined with two different <BR> =
> types of=20
> resilient material, and the equipment is wrapped<BR> in two =
> layers of=20
> sheet plastic inside the resilient cradle.<BR><BR> On the =
> average, a=20
> crate minus the gear weighs in just<BR> under 100 pounds, but =
> with a=20
> five to ten thousand dollar<BR> amplifier what's the big=20
> deal?<BR><BR> I ship under Freight Class 100, (Label:=20
> "Mechanism")<BR> and tell the carriers it's okay to stack on =
> top.=20
> <BR> The 3/4" reinforced crate will probably have<BR> =
> cardboard=20
> boxes on it, and it will probably rate its own pallet.<BR><BR> =
> Cross=20
> country is two days, and my latest shipment is <BR> 235 pounds, =
> 14 cubic=20
> feet and costs $172.00. This is<BR> with FedEx Freight. Similar=20
> shipments have gone with<BR> Yellow Freight and Overnight =
> Express=20
> Freight, all<BR> without any damage.<BR><BR> There's a =
> business=20
> called Craters and Freighters for those<BR> of you who do not =
> have=20
> woodshop capabilities. They can<BR> build and pad a crate for =
> any size=20
> of equipment. <BR><BR> It's clear that UPS/FedEx Exp/USPS =
> cannot=20
> or will not<BR> cater to the requirements of people needing to=20
> ship<BR> delicate apparatus. The competition is by =
> Motor<BR> =20
> Freight companies. As long as the items are packed<BR> in a =
> manner=20
> suitable to their environment they succeed<BR> in quality and =
> timeliness=20
> where others clearly drop<BR> the ball.<BR><BR> =20
> Respectfully,<BR><BR> Hal Mandel<BR> W4HBM<BR> =20
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