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Subject: [Amps] Re: [Amps] various parasitic sources... chassis, tubes, etc...
From: i4jmy@iol.it (i4jmy@iol.it)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:08:46 +0200
Luck doesn't matter so much here.
Tubes like 8877 are inherently good under this perspective and do not 
require VHF suppressors, other tubes aren't stable and suppprssors must 
be installed, that's all.
If the amplifier electrical design, material layout and casting is done 
properly, an amplifier using tubes like a 3CX1500A7 is stable. 
Of course this requires that critical points external to the tube are 
known an managed properly, compromises or mistakes (i.e. choke 
resonaces, XL in grid connections to chassis, etc.) lead always to 
symptomatic cures that sooner or later damage something, possibly the 
most expensive devices that "fuses and protect" the most cheap resistor.
In analog circuits and maximally in RF I trust experienced designers 
rather than occasionals or "pure academy" engineers. 

73,
Mauri I4JMY



> - 
> The point is you might have just gotten lucky not 
> including VHF suppressors.  Although you had 
> good results, could you be sure there would be 
> no surprises in various tube circuit combinations..? 
> - 
> I would expect the only real proof of a stable circuit 
> would be a track record over time.   I would also 
> consider the addition of suppressors a practical 
> addition and some measure (no pun intended) 
> of prevention.  Pictures of damaged tubes make 
> me nervous. 
> -
> cheers
> skipp 
> -
> -
> From: "John T. M. Lyles" <jtml@lanl.gov>
> 
> I got the RFPP HFS1000G converted to 5 MHz a week back, at work. It 
> was at ISM freq 13.56 MHz. Now it is driving a dedicated experiment, 
> easily providing a kW output. Efficiency is about 69% not counting 
> drive feedthru. The 8877/3CX1500A7 takes plenty of abuse without even 
> flinching. It self biases via cathode resistor only, at about 200 mA 
> idling. Dumping about 600 watts in the anode in this case. With drive 
> it is better.
> 
> Changed the input to a simple pi, low Q, with no tuning needed. 
> Output L was replaced with 3/16 refrig tubing coil, 12 turns, about 7 
> uH. Adde
amic doorknob caps, one NPO 
> and one N750, for the C-tune. C-load padded with a stack of heavy 
> duty surplus Erie RF chip caps at 670 pF. Used Hp impedance meter 
> looking at the anode, with a 50 ohm load on the output. Set the 
> controls for 2500 ohm loadline at the tube, and then it came on first 
> time, hardly needed any tuning. By the way, the 8877 doesn't have 
> parasitic suppressor. Its very stable - no surprises. Using an ENI 
> 240L 40 watt solid state broadband amp as the driver for the 8877.
> 
> 73
> John
> K5PRO



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