Hello all, well it looks like everything is back to normal here. I got back
about 2 weeks ago from the 3D2CI - 3D2CY DXpedition and we had absolutely a
blast! I would like to say thank you to Joe Subich for taking care of the
reflector while I was gone.
So..........now lets go all back to normal and let the PVS / PCB were it is
for now and lets go back to real AMPlifierS.
Thanks a bunch..........
73 Will, K6NDV
Administrator AMPS reflector
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-amps@contesting.com [mailto:owner-amps@contesting.com]On
Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 9:11 PM
To: Eric Lowell
Cc: amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Audio Amps supplies in S. FL ?
Sounds like my friend Jimmy!! What a looser and a jerk!
73
Jim W7RY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Lowell" <elowell@maine.rr.com>
Cc: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AMPS] Audio Amps supplies in S. FL ?
>
> A debate concerning the decomposition of PVC becomes a political attack
> opportunity?
>
> Give me a break! , then get a life.
>
> Regards from Maine, Eric (W1EL)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Bryant" <kc5vdj@yahoo.com>
> To: "Phil Clements" <philk5pc@tyler.net>
> Cc: "Mike Sawyer" <kc4slk@csrlink.net>; "CosmiCelt" <w4pj@bellsouth.net>;
> <amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMPS] Audio Amps supplies in S. FL ?
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Phil Clements wrote:
> >
> > > PCB = POLYCHLORINATED BIPHENYL= POISON!!!
> > > This is the banned stuff. Was used in transformers and filter
> capacitors. Bad
> > > stuff!
> >
> >
> > Yes, and many of the initial debates began like this.
> >
> >
> > > PVC = POLYVINYL CHLORIDE
> > > This is the stuff water pipe and electrical conduit are made from.
This
> is
> > > harmless
> > > plastic. Makes a great jacket for coax and rotor cable.
> > >
> > > I did not want to run out in the morning and rip up all their
plumbing!
> > > (((73)))
> > > Phil, K5PC
> >
> >
> > The day will come. The carcinogenic facts of decomposing PVC are well
> known, as well as the estrogen-like factors which cause
> > reproductive damage in women. The good news is that the PVC must be
> greater than 25-40 years old before it starts seeping the
> > yellow [dangerous] stuff.
> >
> > You can't tell me that what I have seen in about twenty radios doesn't
> happen. The information supplied by Mattel, and their
> > collectors/dealers is accurate. The caps were made with the same type
of
> PVC used in Barbie dolls of the 60's and 70's. I have
> > seen this goop myself. This is the same goop that is beginning to
appear
> on all PVC of 1960's to 1970's vintage.
> >
> > At one time PCBs were thought to be safe. PVC itself is safe for
> somewhere between 30 and 40 years, then after that much time, it
> > starts decomposition.
> >
> > People think cellphones are safe, but when the evidence is mounting, and
> country after country is discovering that cellphone users
> > are at signifigant risk of brain cancer, but there are those here in
> America that deny it, despite the numbers. Just like PVC,
> > cellphones will require about 30 years [only nine years away] of data to
> prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the risks involved.
> >
> > The yellow goop on PVC between 30 and 40 years old is a hazard. This is
a
> fact. If you just don't give a damn, feel free to handle
> > it any way you want.
> >
> > I'm not a 60 year old old-timer nearing death. I will take precautions.
> >
> > The political aspect will be that the facts that are known will be
> minimized to only trade rags and such, and kept from the general
> > public because of the cost involved with lawsuits and replacement of
> existing PVC, much as it is politically expedient due to costs
> > to ignore global warming, which is proven beyond a doubt, with more and
> more data pouring in from long-term studies every day now.
> > Even Reagan had to admit finally that the ozone holes were real, and
being
> caused by the Chlorine catylist reaction. Remember all
> > of the naysayers on that before Reagan finally told the truth [probably
> the only thing he ever told the truth on].
> >
> > Anyhow, wake up, educate yourself, and quit denying reality.
> >
> > My tip was to wear latex gloves when handling old PVC caps that exhibit
> the CHARACTERISTIC yellow goop involved in the decomposition
> > of PVC. My tip is known to prevent cancers involving this breakdown
> product, as well as reproductive damage in women.
> >
> > Mattel, not exactly known for being a liberal company, will be happy to
> point you to their sources that convinced that
> > Republican-owned company [sources SEC and FEC] that the yellow substance
> does everything I am saying. If you can't believe a
> > company owned by conservatives when it comes to a biological hazard, who
> can you believe? Conservatives are always the last to
> > admit such dangers.
> >
> > My advice still stands. Wear latex gloves when handling any PVC
> exhibiting the WELL-ESTABLISHED symptoms of decomposition. Not
> > taking my advice can result in cancer in both sexes, and reproductive
> damage [due to the fact that the yellowish substance acts like
> > estrogen when absorbed into the body] in women. Reproductive damage
> aspects in men are not established, but suspected.
> >
> > On a side note. I bet it's 30 years before the industry admits that the
> new 2.45 GHz cordless phones are very dangerous. They will
> > only do that after millions of brain tumors. I'll give you a common
sense
> hint right now: stick a wavemeter or frequency counter
> > next to your microwave oven, and report to the list the frequency it
reads
> as.
> >
> > On the matter of the PVC, and even to a lesser degree, cellphones, I'll
> give the industry credit that they had no idea what
> > NATURALLY-AGED PVC would do. Laborotory-aged PVC probably didn't
exhibit
> the breakdown seen in real-life [or did it?]. The
> > Cellphone industry is partially culpable. They had at least 20 years of
> data from the military on the effects of low-level
> > upper-UHF and Microwaves, they knew what they were doing.
> >
> > Wear the gloves.
> >
> >
> > jim
> >
> > --
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> > He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos!
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