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Subject: [AMPS] Plate coke at right angles
From: 2@vc.net (measures)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:18:22 -0800
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>
>> Have a look at http://www.vcnet.com/measures
>> 
>> This will tell you all you need to know about plate chokes and more. I'm
>> currently re-building my 4-250 amp and have hit the very same problem, so
>> at this moment I've redesigned the plate choke and added a secondary choke
>> in series at right angles.
>
>That moves the series resonance, but doesn't eliminate it at all. It 
>moves it because you change the capacitance from the choke 
>"center" to the ends of the coke  and surrounding objects.
>
>The choke problem is cause by the choke acting like two back-to-
>back L networks. At the inductive middle of the choke or chokes, 
>the stray C forms with the inductance either direction forms an L 
>section.
>
>No matter what the magnetic coupling between those sections, the 
>series resonance will occur.  The "thing" you think accomplish by 
>placing two chokes at an angle really isn't even as effective as 
>removing turns at the area of a voltage peak in the choke.
>
>In either case, you are reducing inductance by reducing mutual 
>coupling...but if you remove the TURNS at the voltage peak of the 
>choke (at the problem frequency) you also reduce capacitance! 
>That moves the series resonance higher at a much faster rate than 
>simply breaking the choke in half and placing two chokes at right 
>angles.
>
>For a given inductance at the lowest frequency required, you 
>ALWAYS want the most compact in-line distance possible with 
>minimum distributed capacitance. 
>
>If you simply install the choke and look at the impedance at the top 
>as you sweep frequency upwards from the lowest expected 
>operating frequency, you will find a dip in impedance. Watching 
>that point, you can move a screwdriver blade near the choke at 
>right angles to the choke down the choke side. When you get to 
>the "sweet spot" where the resonance changes the most, that is 
>where you need to remove turns.
>
>Peel turns back there and the series resonance, for a minimum 
>amount of change in overall inductance, will move upwards the 
>most rapid amount. You simply park that resonance, with the 
>choke in its final location and all sheetmetal installed, out of the 
>way of any operation.
>
>When you find the next higher resonance, you do the same. 
>
>When you use this approach, you will have absolutely the 
>maximum possible inductance possible.
>
>Using two choke, or two chokes at any angle, does the same 
>thing....but straight in line is the most efficient in terms of 
>minimizing stray capacitance and retaining maximum inductance.
>
>I've tried the multiple choke thing many times, and never found it 
>better than the approach above. It all makes sense when you 
>understand the problem is one of back-to-back L networks, and not 
>voodoo.
>
Better check it out for yourself with a dipmeter.  

-  Rich..., 805.386.3734, www.vcnet.com/measures.  
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