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[AMPS] Blown TL922A... What to do?

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Subject: [AMPS] Blown TL922A... What to do?
From: wy6k@yahoo.com (michael watts)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:51:47 -0700 (PDT)
Sounds neat!

Mike wy6k
--- Tom Rauch <w8ji@contesting.com> wrote:
> 
> > But then why does nearly every current-day HF
> amplifier manufacturer use
> > "1935 technology" with the inclusion of the
> classic coil turned around a
> > carbon composition resistor for the purpose of
> serving as a parasitic
> > suppressor?
> 
> 1935 technology was to use distributed losses in the
> system, with 
> or without additional lumped components.
> 
> There was a valid reason for that in the 30's, tubes
> had long internal 
> connections and shielding was poor. Components were
> poor 
> quality, frequency performance was limited by stray
> reactances in 
> the system. Amplifiers built with 1930's technology
> and 
> components tended to oscillate at or near the
> operating frequency, 
> builders had to reduce system Q at or near the
> operating frequency.
> 
> If you tried to suppress oscillations near the
> operating frequency, or 
> even at twice or three times the operating frequency
> with 
> conventional suppressors used today, the resistors
> would have 
> produced too much heat. A more simple way to get the
> loss was to 
> distribute the loss...and the heat.... in the
> wiring.
> 
> As tubes have higher and higher upper operating
> frequencies and 
> chassis became metal with better wiring techniques,
> and as 
> components became better, the tendency to oscillate
> was not only 
> reduced...the frequency also moved higher.
> 
> If you have a peek at amplifiers, you'll see tubes
> like the 572B or 
> 811A (old long-in-tooth designs a few steps removed
> from the 30's) 
> have to use large inductors in the suppressors,
> diverting more 
> current into the resistors. They have to use more
> resistance in the 
> resistors, to affect the impedance of the more
> reactive anode to 
> tank path caused by the long skinny leads inside the
> tube. These 
> same tubes often need neutralized in grounded grid
> amplifiers, to 
> prevent oscillations at HF!!! 
> 
> You see tubes like the 8877 or 3CX800, or 3CX1200Z7
> often don't 
> require any suppression at all....or at the best
> minimum 
> suppression.
>  
> That's because those tubes grid are anti-resonant up
> around 500 
> MHz or higher, where tube gain is suffering. The
> anode systems 
> are usually resonant far below the grid's "problem"
> frequency, and 
> so the stage is stable or easily stabilized.   
> 
> > If parasitics are of little concern, who on this
> list (manufacturers
> > included) is perfectly comfortable with running
> (or manufacturing) their
> > multi-band HF amplifier without a parasitic
> suppressor?  One manufacturer
> > we know of uses an 8877 without the use of any
> suppressor, but other
> > amplifiers in their product line do.  Does this
> infer that some of their
> > amp products are prone to potentially damaging
> parasitics while others are
> > not?
> 
> Exactly. Let me tell you what I've been doing the
> past few months. 
> I put a 1200Z7 in an RF deck of the AL1200, and with
> multiple 
> fingerstock contacts the tube was totally stable
> with no 
> suppression at all. That allowed me to add
> inductance between the 
> tube and the tank, to reduce Q on ten meters and
> bring efficiency 
> way up. The only reason that works is because the Z7
> has virtually 
> zero grid impedance to the chassis. A 1200A7 will
> oscillate like 
> crazy with no suppression, or with suppression and
> that series coil.
> 
> I did the same to a 3CX800A7. I added a grid collet
> instead of a few 
> fingers on the grid, and I could remove all
> suppression on a 
> 3CX800. That let me use the same technique to put an
> AL-800 
> amp on six meters (bandswitched from 160-6 meters)
> and get 1200 
> watts out on six meters!
> 
> I have a 3CPX800A7 with 3000 volts on the anode, no
> suppression, 
> a VHF Q of over 1000 in the tank system, and it is
> completely 
> stable. That PA runs 1100 watts out on 2 meters with
> 30 watts of 
> drive, and is rock stable. The reason? The grids are
> very well 
> grounded both inside and outside the tube. The grid
> "problem" is far 
> above the operating frequency so stability isn't an
> issue.
> 
> Now ask the engineers on this reflector who
> disagrees with what I 
> have just said. Watch how it stacks up.
> 
> 
> 73, Tom W8JI
> w8ji@contesting.com
> 
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