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Subject: [AMPS] Receiver performance
From: W4EF@pacbell.net (Michael Tope)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:45:50 -0800
I don't think we disagree, Tom. Are you saying
that the DSP in the FT1000MP and or TS950SDX is
at 38KHz? I thought they were at audio, but admittedly,
I never looked at the block diagrams. I just assumed
they were at audio since they both use first and 
second IF crystal filters. As you say, even if they 
aren't at audio, they might as well be. Myself I like 
this combination, as it gives you DSP capabilities like 
bandwidth flexibility, linear-phase filter response, 
etc, along with the dynamic range robustness of analog. 
Of course, one can get the same thing with an add-on 
DSP filter, like the Timewave. 

A friend of mine has a TS-870 which has wonderful 
audio, auto-notch, and seemingly infinite resolution
on filter characteristics. Unfortunately, it is 
useless in high dynamic range environments without
add-on crystal filters. 

73 de Mike, W4EF..................

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From:   Tom Rauch[SMTP:w8ji@contesting.com]
Reply To:       W8JI@contesting.com
Sent:   Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:19 AM
To:     Michael Tope
Cc:     amps@contesting.com
Subject:        RE: [AMPS] Receiver performance



Date sent:              Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:21:54 -0800
From:                   Michael Tope <W4EF@pacbell.net>
Subject:                RE: [AMPS] Receiver performance
To:                     "amps@contesting.com" <amps@contesting.com>,
        "'G3SEK'" <g3sek@ifwtech.demon.co.uk>,
        "'Peter Chadwick'" <Peter_Chadwick@mitel.com>

> e.g. proper gain distribution, then it will work. Unfortunately, 
> with the current level of technology available, sound design 
> principles seem to dictate that the DSP appear in the audio 
> section. Hybrid rigs like the FT1000MP and TS950SDX appear to 
> be the way to go. 

38 kHz is a lot closer to audio than 9 MHz would be.

The flaw is in our "labels".

The shortfall of DSPs aren't "frequency" problems or "AGC" 
problems. 

Moving the DSP from 300-3000 Hz to 38.000- 41.300 kHz won't 
cure the problems, and neither will moving it into the AGC loop.

The problem is dynamic range, and the fact the DSP is way down 
the chain from the mixers. The DSP doesn't have the resolution, 
speed, or power to process ahead of the narrow IF filters without 
screwing up something else.

Once it is after the narrow filters, it might as well be at audio.

    


73, Tom W8JI
w8ji@contesting.com



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