> On Oct 13, 2017, at 13:38, RMorris <robrk@nidhog.net> wrote:
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>> ##  pad + pier is a pita.   The dirt you put back in there..around the pier, 
>> that
>> sits on the concrete base is...free weight.  You can easily dispense with the
>> form..but then  you will use a helluva lot more concrete..which is OK per 
>> Trylon.
>> But the re-bar setup is different. 
>> 
>> ##  If ground is clay, or solid enough, so the sides of the hole   dont cave 
>> in, 
>> you dont require the megabuck, pita  wooden form.   Flip side is.... the 
>> wooden form
>> is very expensive to build.  It comes out a wash,  or close to it.    Cost 
>> of wooden form
>> vs cost of extra concrete. 
>> 
>> ##  If a wooden form is used, it has to be carefully constructed.  Concrete 
>> weighs aprx
>> 4000 lbs  per cubic yard....=  150 lbs per cubic foot.   There is a huge 
>> stress on the wooden form as is.
>> There is also a huge stress on the portion of the wooden form that 
>> encompasses the pad.  Thats from the
>> sheer vertical compression weight of the  concrete in the pier.   Get it 
>> wrong...and  form starts to come apart
>> when you have poured 80% of the concrete into the form.... u are in for a 
>> rude awakening. 
>> 
>> ##  Even if it all goes ok, the  wooden form has to be removed. 
Sorry, I fat fingered a reply, on the iPad.
Here’s how the big boys do piers…. Don’t need no wood.
https://www.sonotube.com/sonotubeconcreteforms.aspx 
<https://www.sonotube.com/sonotubeconcreteforms.aspx>
Got to watch a 350 foot Rohn SS go up…
24x 24 foot hole, 40 yards of concrete. Pad and pier.
Each leg of the first section was 1100 pounds.
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