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Re: [TowerTalk] Elementary feedline loss question

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Elementary feedline loss question
From: "David Robbins" <k1ttt@arrl.net>
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 15:06:45 +0000
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Well... if it is just cable loss and the cable is uniform the R should
approach Z0 as the length increases no matter what the load is... the less
loss the slower the approach to Z0.  If the cable is terminated in a pure
resistance equal to Z0 then it should measure Z0 anywhere along the cable.

Now, assuming you have measured your dummy load and it reads r=50 x=0
connected directly to the 259b, there are 2 reasons why you might read
something other than r=50 x=0 on the line.  
1. the line Z0 is not really 50 ohms.  In which case the measured impedance
will be frequency and line length dependent, repeating the 50 ohms every 1/2
wave along the line or at each frequency when the line is a multiple of a
half wave long.
2. there is a flaw in the line.  Water in it, a crimped spot, or something
else that changes the impedance at some point in the line will cause effects
similar to the above problem but could be spotted with a TDR or a frequency
sweep analysis.  In this case the impedance will likely not repeat the 50
ohm load every 1/2 wave or at exact harmonics.



David Robbins K1TTT
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-----Original Message-----
From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Smith N4ZR
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 13:54
To: TOWERTALK@contesting.com
Subject: [TowerTalk] Elementary feedline loss question

If I terminate a long 50-ohm coaxial cable with a 50-ohm dummy load, and put
an MFJ-259B on the other end, and it reads R=56, X=0 at a given frequency,
what is the mathematical relationship between the measured R (leaving
calibration out of it, for now) and the loss in dB?

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