Sorry not sure what happened with the formatting here.. I'll try again..
Steve With regards to the center conductor expanding if it is cut after
removing the dielectric, I have noticed this with 9913F7 as well.
Is there a special tool or technique that can be used to minmize this
Best regards
Mark
VE7AFZ
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To: Steve Davis -Davis RF Co. <sdavis@davisrf.com>
Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
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=0A> Between the die sets I have for RG-8/LMR-400/9913/9913F I have both 0.=
100 and 0.128, plus the tiny ones meant for 8X and 58 type cables.=0A> =0A>=
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Inc.=0A>> =0A>> Wire, Cable, RF Connectors and wire aerial parts.=A0 LMR, =
Heliax, Eupen=0A>> =0A>> Commercial / Military / & Custom Cable Design=0A>>=
=0A>> tel:=A0 978-369-1738=A0 =A0 Fax:=A0 978-369-3484=0A>> www.DavisRF.co=
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Cc: <mspencer12345@yahoo.ca>=0A>> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:26 AM=0A=
>> Subject: Crimper for Belden 9913 - Response DAVIS RF Co.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>=
> =0A>>> Mark,=A0 Ctr. conductor size for 9913 and 9913F7 is .108", so spec=
'g the .116 die makes sense.=A0 however, my crimper source indicates that t=
heir .128" is the one to use for 9913.=A0 This may not be as odd as it soun=
ds because the Belden spec can vary to +- .010, and I doubt it is on the mi=
nus side.=A0 At any rate, I am checking with a reliable source on Monday to=
see if the .128 will do the job well, I suspect so as my mfr. source for t=
he crimper and die is a very good one.=A0 Will advise on Mon.=0A>>> =0A>>> =
73,=A0 Steve ,=A0 K1PEK,=0A>>> =0A>>> DAVIS RF Co.,=A0 Div. of Orion Wire C=
o., Inc.=0A>>> =0A>>> Wire, Cable, RF Connectors and wire aerial parts.=A0 =
LMR, Heliax, Eupen=0A>>> =0A>>> Commercial / Military / & Custom Cable Desi=
gn=0A>>> =0A>>> tel:=A0 978-369-1738=A0 =A0 Fax:=A0 978-369-3484=0A>>> www.=
DavisRF.com=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:00:20 -0800=
(PST)=0A>>> From: Mark Spencer <mspencer12345@yahoo.ca>=0A>>> Subject: [To=
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=0A>>>> Sorry for a possibly off topic post, but I'm wondering if any one h=
as any wisdom crimping N connectors onto Belden 9913F7 that they could shar=
e with me.??=0A>>>> =0A>>>> According to the Amphenol web site http://www.a=
mphenolrf.com/pdf/283.pdf?the center pin for Amphenol 9913 conectors needs =
to be crimped with a .116 inch die.?? I've looked high and low for a .116 i=
nch die for my crimper and can't find one, I do have a .128 inch die and ac=
cording to the RF parts web site that is the appropiate size for crimping 9=
913 center pins.??? (The crimp for the outer connector seems to be?a common=
.429 inch size.)=0A>>>> =0A>>>> Google searches for .116 inch dies and cri=
mpers are not turning anything up either.=0A>>>> =0A>>>> I'm wondering if t=
he amphenol connectors need a different size crimper than other common conn=
ectors ???? I've always had good results using amphenol brand connectors an=
d would like to use them going forwards.=0A>>>> =0A>>>> I've seen several o=
ther crimpers advertised for crimping 9913 connectors but they don't specif=
y the die sizes.? I'm reluctant to order one with out knowing what the die =
sizes are.=0A>>>> =0A>>>> Does any one have any practical experience they c=
an share with me about crimping N connectors to Belden 9913F7 cable ??? I'd=
really like to use crimp style connectors going forwards but I want to mak=
e sure I crimp them properly.=0A>>>> =0A>>>> 73's=0A>>>> =0A>>>> Mark=0A>>>=
> VE7AFZ=0A>>>> =0A>>>> =0A>>>> =0A>>>> =0A>> =0A>> _______________________=
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<DIV>With regards to the center conductor expanding if it is cut after removing
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<DIV>Best regards</DIV>
<DIV>Mark</DIV>
<DIV>VE7AFZ<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Steve Davis -Davis RF Co.
<sdavis@davisrf.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Roger (K8RI) <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> mspencer12345@yahoo.ca;
towertalk@contesting.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Monday, January 5, 2009 8:01:02 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [TowerTalk] Crimper for Belden 9913 - Response
DAVIS RF Co.<BR></FONT><BR><BR>Hi Roger,<BR><BR>The ctr. cond. on LMR 400
(solid) and 400 UF (strnd'd) are both .108; however, cutting the
ctr cond of the stranded 400 UF , AFTER removing the dielectric
will expand the OD....and sometimes dealing with the stranding anyway will
cause it to expand a bit .<BR> Ref. whether crimp pins vs. clamp
pins are different: for the most part they are different, in the below
around
.500" OD cables; however, some mfrs. do have a few sizes and types that they
are the same.<BR> Ref. soldering crimp type pins: in production
modes, crimps are just crimped due to labor time/cost, but in less than
production line app's, I , and many before me, recommend a little added
security (electrically and mechanically) by soldering the center pin of crimp
types, after crimping.<BR> As many other things, "a little of everything
is involved"... not cut and dry.<BR>Bottom line: for most ham use, crimp or
clamp: both are very good mechanically, when done right and not hard to
do it right. Crimps are less aggravating and we have excellent
tools to use at less than $ 40 for the tool, $ 23.50 for multi cable die, and
this tool is one of few out there that will let you change the die. I've
used the best commercial production tools and this one is fine even for repeat
production...ratchet release at proper
torque on die, etc.<BR> And Roger, you are a testimony to a "satisfied
crimping ham" HI<BR><BR>73, Steve , K1PEK,<BR><BR>DAVIS RF
Co., Div. of Orion Wire Co., Inc.<BR><BR>Wire, Cable, RF Connectors and
wire aerial parts. LMR, Heliax, Eupen<BR><BR>Commercial / Military / &
Custom Cable Design<BR><BR>tel: 978-369-1738 Fax:
978-369-3484<BR>www.DavisRF.com<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger (K8RI)" <<A href="mailto:K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net";
ymailto="mailto:K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net";>K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net</A>><BR>To:
"Steve Davis -Davis RF Co." <<A href="mailto:sdavis@davisrf.com";
ymailto="mailto:sdavis@davisrf.com";>sdavis@davisrf.com</A>><BR>Cc: <<A
href="mailto:towertalk@contesting.com";
ymailto="mailto:towertalk@contesting.com";>towertalk@contesting.com</A>><BR>Sent:
Monday, January 05, 2009 9:49 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Crimper for Belden
9913 - Response DAVIS RF Co.<BR><BR><BR>> <BR>> A thought here: I
think he's talking about the flexible version with the stranded center
conductor which like the LMR-400UF is a bit larger than the solid center
conductor. Although I've always been able to get them to fit into the
standard center pins, it sometimes takes a bit of determination and
care.<:-))<BR>> <BR>> I've also noted an inconsistency in the crimp,
Vs Clamp descriptions. One supplier told me when I wanted crimp
connectors with solder center pins they were either one of the other, not a
mix, but I have a number of crimp connectors for LMR-600 that use center pins
designed for soldering complete with the small solder hole drilled in the side.
OTOH even if the center pin is designed for crimping it can be
soldered.<BR>> <BR>> Between the die sets I have for
RG-8/LMR-400/9913/9913F I have both 0.100 and 0.128, plus the tiny ones meant
for 8X and 58 type
cables.<BR>> <BR>> Steve Davis -Davis RF Co. wrote:<BR>>>
Mark, One of my affiliates that does<BR>>> cable
assembly/terminations indicates that the .128 is not a good die to use, unless
you tin the ctr conductor and find it to be a tight fit after crimping. They
tinn and then solder the center pin on. Finding the .116 die and tool
handle is possible but they don't know a source, other than what Amphenol is
recommending, quite expensive I'm sure. Given that you are not in
"production" mode, taking the time to tin, crimp and solder is certainly a
thorough way of obtaining a good electric/mechanical connection to either of
these cables.<BR>>> I think (?) that you had a follow-up question,
or that was somebody else... I will find that again later and answer
it.<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>> One possibility for those who really
insist on crimping the center conductor is to take a 0.100 die and "adjusting"
it with a small file to 0.116 which is only 0.016 larger...IE 16 thousandths of
an inch isn't much. OTOH they'd want to make sure the new die is
properly marked, or identified.<BR>> <BR>> 73<BR>> <BR>> Roger
(KI8RI)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> 73, Steve ,
K1PEK,<BR>>> <BR>>> DAVIS RF Co., Div. of Orion Wire Co.,
Inc.<BR>>> <BR>>> Wire, Cable, RF Connectors and wire aerial
parts. LMR, Heliax, Eupen<BR>>> <BR>>> Commercial / Military
/ & Custom Cable Design<BR>>> <BR>>> tel: 978-369-1738
Fax: 978-369-3484<BR>>> www.DavisRF.com<BR>>>
<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
"Steve Davis -Davis RF Co." <<A href="mailto:sdavis@davisrf.com";
ymailto="mailto:sdavis@davisrf.com";>sdavis@davisrf.com</A>><BR>>> To:
<<A href="mailto:towertalk@contesting.com";
ymailto="mailto:towertalk@contesting.com";>towertalk@contesting.com</A>><BR>>>
Cc: <<A href="mailto:mspencer12345@yahoo.ca";
ymailto="mailto:mspencer12345@yahoo.ca";>mspencer12345@yahoo.ca</A>><BR>>>
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:26 AM<BR>>> Subject: Crimper for Belden
9913 - Response DAVIS RF Co.<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>>> Mark, Ctr. conductor size for 9913 and 9913F7 is .108",
so spec'g the .116 die makes sense. however, my crimper source indicates
that their .128" is the one to use for 9913. This may not be as odd as it
sounds because the Belden spec can vary to +- .010, and I doubt it is on the
minus side. At any rate, I am checking with a reliable source on Monday
to see if the .128 will do the job well, I suspect so as my mfr. source for the
crimper and die is a very good one. Will advise on Mon.<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> 73, Steve ,
K1PEK,<BR>>>> <BR>>>> DAVIS RF Co., Div. of Orion Wire
Co., Inc.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Wire, Cable, RF Connectors and wire
aerial parts. LMR, Heliax, Eupen<BR>>>> <BR>>>>
Commercial / Military / & Custom Cable Design<BR>>>> <BR>>>>
tel: 978-369-1738 Fax: 978-369-3484<BR>>>>
www.DavisRF.com<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>>
<BR>>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:00:20 -0800 (PST)<BR>>>>
From: Mark Spencer <<A href="mailto:mspencer12345@yahoo.ca";
ymailto="mailto:mspencer12345@yahoo.ca";>mspencer12345@yahoo.ca</A>><BR>>>>
Subject: [TowerTalk] Crimper for Belden 9913<BR>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:towertalk@contesting.com";
ymailto="mailto:towertalk@contesting.com";>towertalk@contesting.com</A><BR>>>>
Message-ID: <<A href="375680.81409.qm@web38802.mail.mud.yahoo.com"">mailto:375680.81409.qm@web38802.mail.mud.yahoo.com";
ymailto="375680.81409.qm@web38802.mail.mud.yahoo.com"">mailto:375680.81409.qm@web38802.mail.mud.yahoo.com";>375680.81409.qm@web38802.mail.mud.yahoo.com</A>><BR>>>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859<BR>>>> <BR>>>>
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>>
<BR>>>>> Sorry for a possibly off topic post, but I'm wondering if
any one has any wisdom crimping N connectors onto Belden 9913F7 that they could
share with me.??<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> According to the
Amphenol web site <A href="http://www.amphenolrf.com/pdf/283.pdf?the";;
target=_blank>http://www.amphenolrf.com/pdf/283.pdf?the</A> center pin for
Amphenol 9913 conectors needs to be crimped with a .116 inch die.?? I've looked
high and low for a .116 inch die for my crimper and can't find one, I do have a
.128 inch die and according to the RF parts web site that is the appropiate
size for crimping 9913 center pins.??? (The crimp for the outer connector seems
to be?a common .429 inch size.)<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Google
searches for .116 inch dies and crimpers are not turning anything up
either.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> I'm wondering if the amphenol
connectors need a different size crimper than other common connectors ???? I've
always had good results using amphenol brand connectors and would like to use
them going forwards.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> I've seen several
other crimpers advertised for crimping 9913 connectors but they don't specify
the die sizes.? I'm reluctant to order one with out knowing what the die sizes
are.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Does any one have any practical
experience they can share with me about crimping N connectors to Belden 9913F7
cable ??? I'd really like to use crimp style connectors going forwards but I
want to make sure I crimp them properly.<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> 73's<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> Mark<BR>>>>> VE7AFZ<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> <BR>>>
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