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-----Original Message-----
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I forgot to answer one part of your question with respect to the ability to
bend the LMR 600. Yes, you can bend the cable in the 4 inch PVC 45 degrees
with no problem. I ran two runs of the 600 cable through the same 3 inch
PVC and made three 90 degree turns with no problems.
Dwight W4IJY Vero Beach, FL
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3. Re: HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED... (Bob Nielsen)
4. Grounding the rotor cable (Cqtestk4xs@aol.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:39:12 -0500
From: "Gedas" <w8bya@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
To: "'TowerTalk'" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <038301c711bc$761dd960$0401a8c0@Gedas>
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Mike, any idea on how your R8 performs vs. another vertical, say a ground
mounted type with radials? I think that would be very interesting.
Gedas
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Fatchett
To: 'TowerTalk'
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
I have a couple of R8 Verticals that are elevated and they work pretty well.
The do not require any radials. Most other verticals will require radials.
Even the BigIR requires radials.
Mike W0MU
-----Original Message-----
From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of D. Scott MacKenzie
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:16 PM
To: Peter Voelpel; towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
Actually - the report that K7LXC did, is a good, well written report, with
good experimental data to back up the claims. It certainly helped me make
an informed decision based on DATA as opposed to opinions.....
Opinions are like a A...holes - everyone has them. But data is worth the
price.....
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Peter Voelpel
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:11 PM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
I wonder whether you like to give helpful advise or make profit...
73
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K7LXC@aol.com
In a message dated 11/26/2006 11:30:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
towertalk-request@contesting.com writes:
> I am going to be relocating to a new QTH and was looking at getting
> a new
multiband vertical. I would like to have something that would be for 40 -
15 meters. I know there are lots of options out there, but just not sure
which ones are really worth the money. I have been steering more thowards
the Hy-Gain. Any help or opinions would greatly be appreciated.
While we didn't test the SteppIR, there are a bunch of other
verticals that we tested in our vertical antenna comparison report
available at _www.championradio.com/publications.html_
(http://www.championradio.com/publications.html) .
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:47:29 -0700
From: "Mike Fatchett" <mike@mallardcove.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
To: "'Gedas'" <w8bya@mchsi.com>, "'TowerTalk'"
<towertalk@contesting.com>
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I don't have any other verticals to compare it to. I don't know if the
publication K7LXC was citing includes the R8. I worked plenty of DX with it
this weekend but I don't have anything to comapare it to. I am surprised by
what I can work at times though.
Mike W0MU
-----Original Message-----
From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gedas
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:39 PM
To: 'TowerTalk'
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
Mike, any idea on how your R8 performs vs. another vertical, say a ground
mounted type with radials? I think that would be very interesting.
Gedas
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Fatchett
To: 'TowerTalk'
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
I have a couple of R8 Verticals that are elevated and they work pretty well.
The do not require any radials. Most other verticals will require radials.
Even the BigIR requires radials.
Mike W0MU
-----Original Message-----
From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of D. Scott MacKenzie
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:16 PM
To: Peter Voelpel; towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
Actually - the report that K7LXC did, is a good, well written report, with
good experimental data to back up the claims. It certainly helped me make
an informed decision based on DATA as opposed to opinions.....
Opinions are like a A...holes - everyone has them. But data is worth the
price.....
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Peter Voelpel
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:11 PM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
I wonder whether you like to give helpful advise or make profit...
73
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K7LXC@aol.com
In a message dated 11/26/2006 11:30:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
towertalk-request@contesting.com writes:
> I am going to be relocating to a new QTH and was looking at getting
> a new
multiband vertical. I would like to have something that would be for 40 -
15 meters. I know there are lots of options out there, but just not sure
which ones are really worth the money. I have been steering more thowards
the Hy-Gain. Any help or opinions would greatly be appreciated.
While we didn't test the SteppIR, there are a bunch of other
verticals that we tested in our vertical antenna comparison report
available at _www.championradio.com/publications.html_
(http://www.championradio.com/publications.html) .
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:03:09 -0800
From: Bob Nielsen <nielsen@oz.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
To: TowerTalk List <towertalk@contesting.com>
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Yes, it does include the R8, but it wasn't elevated much and there
was a ground screen. Based on the results quoted, I was seriously
looking at the R8, but the AV-640 is nearly identical except for not
using traps and I went with that.
Steve and Ward's yagi report is also excellent. I worked on antenna
ranges for many years in the aerospace industry and couldn't find
anything to fault in their test methods.
Bob, N7XY
On Nov 26, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Mike Fatchett wrote:
> I don't have any other verticals to compare it to. I don't know if
> the
> publication K7LXC was citing includes the R8. I worked plenty of
> DX with it
> this weekend but I don't have anything to comapare it to. I am
> surprised by
> what I can work at times though.
>
> Mike W0MU
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gedas
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:39 PM
> To: 'TowerTalk'
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
>
> Mike, any idea on how your R8 performs vs. another vertical, say a
> ground
> mounted type with radials? I think that would be very interesting.
>
> Gedas
> Image Gallery http://gedas.cc
> Web Site http://w8bya.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Fatchett
> To: 'TowerTalk'
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
>
>
> I have a couple of R8 Verticals that are elevated and they work
> pretty well.
> The do not require any radials. Most other verticals will require
> radials.
> Even the BigIR requires radials.
>
> Mike W0MU
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of D. Scott
> MacKenzie
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:16 PM
> To: Peter Voelpel; towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
>
> Actually - the report that K7LXC did, is a good, well written
> report, with
> good experimental data to back up the claims. It certainly helped
> me make
> an informed decision based on DATA as opposed to opinions.....
>
> Opinions are like a A...holes - everyone has them. But data is
> worth the
> price.....
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Peter Voelpel
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:11 PM
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HF Vertical Opinions NEEDED...
>
>
> I wonder whether you like to give helpful advise or make profit...
>
> 73
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K7LXC@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/26/2006 11:30:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> towertalk-request@contesting.com writes:
>
>> I am going to be relocating to a new QTH and was looking at getting
>> a new
> multiband vertical. I would like to have something that would be
> for 40 -
> 15 meters. I know there are lots of options out there, but just
> not sure
> which ones are really worth the money. I have been steering more
> thowards
> the Hy-Gain. Any help or opinions would greatly be appreciated.
>
>
> While we didn't test the SteppIR, there are a bunch of other
> verticals that we tested in our vertical antenna comparison report
> available at _www.championradio.com/publications.html_
> (http://www.championradio.com/publications.html) .
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:39:02 EST
From: Cqtestk4xs@aol.com
Subject: [TowerTalk] Grounding the rotor cable
To: TOWERTALK@contesting.com
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At 12:47 PM 11/26/2006, Bill Turner wrote:
>I've read the PolyPhaser document on protection for ham stations but
>it is vague on how to protect rotator cables. First, I wonder how much
>protection, if any, is needed in the first place? In my tower, the
>rotator is inside the tower and the control lines run down inside the
>tower as well. Coming out from the tower at the bottom, they run
>underground to the shack, about 70 feet away. It seems to me that
>neither the rotator nor the lines
``~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Interesting thoughts. I NEVER ran any Polyphasers etc on my rotor cables.
Everything was disconnected at the bulkhead by Cinch-Jones plugs.
Amazingly
even though I had lots of rotors on the 200 foot towers, I never had a
rotor
failure from a lightning hit...mechanical damage from wind etc, but no
electrical problems. My gut feeling is there are few direct hits on the
rotor
cables and most of the damage from non-disconnected stems from the induced
voltage of the hit and perhaps providing a great ground for the main
lighting
charge to travel to ground through the house mains by way of a short,
jumping from
the tower or coax to the cable.
Bill K4XS/KH6
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:48:36 -0500
From: "Dr M J DiGirolamo" <DrD@2020.com>
Subject: [TowerTalk] Needed: Andrews LDF4-50A Coax
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <00ba01c711c6$27c64310$6701a8c0@fm55k01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Gang,
I'm looking for two strands of Andrews LDF4-50A (1/2" hardline) of about
110'
each.
Anyone have some lengths laying around, not being used?
73,
Mike DiGirolamo, W4XN
Charlottsville, VA 22901
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:02:15 -0600
From: "Jim McDonald" <jim@n7us.net>
Subject: [TowerTalk] LMR600
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <004801c711c8$17eda490$6401a8c0@Dell8300>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Is LMR600 or the equivalent too stiff to pass through three 45-degree sweeps
in a 4" PVC? How about with an 89' crank-up tower? I am trying to decide
whether to reuse my Davis RF Bury-Flex or replace it. This antenna, a 4L
SteppIR, will have 6M on it, and I've never had to be concerned with
attenuation for that band before.
Jim N7US
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:03:49 -0500
From: "K8RI on TowerTalk" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Grounding the rotor cable
To: <TOWERTALK@contesting.com>
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I don't disconnect anything since I finished the ground system installation.
That's mainly because the connections are too difficult to get at and the
storm would be past by the time I could get them disconnected.
Since the ground system was finished I've had no damage yet the tower takes
at least 3 direct hits on average per year. It was five the first half of
this past summer. I say at least as those have been observed.
IF I recall correctly Tom said he didn't disconnect anything either, but
I've only seen one post from him in recent months. I understand he's over on
the amps reflector.
Roger Halstead (K8RI and ARRL 40 year Life Member)
N833R - World's oldest Debonair CD-2
www.rogerhalstead.com (Use return address from home page)
> At 12:47 PM 11/26/2006, Bill Turner wrote:
>>I've read the PolyPhaser document on protection for ham stations but
>>it is vague on how to protect rotator cables. First, I wonder how much
>>protection, if any, is needed in the first place? In my tower, the
>>rotator is inside the tower and the control lines run down inside the
>>tower as well. Coming out from the tower at the bottom, they run
>>underground to the shack, about 70 feet away. It seems to me that
>>neither the rotator nor the lines
> ``~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Interesting thoughts. I NEVER ran any Polyphasers etc on my rotor
> cables.
> Everything was disconnected at the bulkhead by Cinch-Jones plugs.
> Amazingly
> even though I had lots of rotors on the 200 foot towers, I never had a
> rotor
> failure from a lightning hit...mechanical damage from wind etc, but no
> electrical problems. My gut feeling is there are few direct hits on the
> rotor
> cables and most of the damage from non-disconnected stems from the
> induced
> voltage of the hit and perhaps providing a great ground for the main
> lighting
> charge to travel to ground through the house mains by way of a short,
> jumping from
> the tower or coax to the cable.
>
> Bill K4XS/KH6
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