I saw quite a number of spots from guys grumbling about VP8SGI running RTTY
on 7040 and that being a JT or some other digital mode special frequency.
Guess they have not heard the rule with respect to that sort of conflict.
Which is:
The group of guys sitting on an iceberg at the bottom of the world,
literally risking their lives as well as having spent tens of thousands of
dollars to do so, ALWAYS GET THE FREQUENCY.
73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Al Kozakiewicz
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 2:22 PM
To: rtty@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans
Not stated below but presumably well-known is top of RTTY in US is 7125
-----Original Message-----
From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Al Kozakiewicz
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 3:15 PM
To: rtty@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans
Must be a language thing. Otherwise I don't know why there needs to be
"rules" for rbn because it receives amateurs operating legally in regions
2&3
The bottom end of RTTY is 7040 in regions 1 and 2, 7025 in 3. RTTY is legal
right to the top of the band in regions 1 & 2. Except...
...the bottom in Canada is 7035, top is 7125 with a no RTTY gap between
7050 and 7080.
...in the US, the bottom is 7000 for extra class licensees; otherwise 7025.
...Japan is 7025-7200
Al
AB2ZY
-----Original Message-----
From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of post@lb3re.com
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 11:24 AM
To: Rudy Bakalov
Cc: Don AA5AU; Tim Shoppa; DK4VW Ulrich Mueller; rtty@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans
Well
Then they must fix it in region 3.
There need to be new common rules for rbn sir. :) Much better keep up in
band when finally got 100khz extra for" years!!" søndag, 07 februar 2016,
05:04p.m. +01:00 from Rudy Bakalov < r_bakalov@yahoo.com> :
It is hard to argue with the actual RBN data. Data from JA skimmers from CQ
WW RTTY 2015 shows Japanese stations in the 7023-28 segment.
Rudy N2WQ
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From: "post@lb3re.com" < post@lb3re.com >
To: Rudy Bakalov < r_bakalov@yahoo.com >
Cc: Tim Shoppa < tshoppa@gmail.com >; "rtty@contesting.com" <
rtty@contesting.com >; DK4VW Ulrich Mueller < dk4vw@darc.de >; Don
AA5AU < aa5au@bellsouth.net >
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 11:00 AM
Subject: Re[2]: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans
7020 ??? Are you out of mind???
7040 is absolutly lowest on 40m for RTTY last 5 years!! It all mode
going up in band is better
I sit in HF commity of IARU region 1.
We are enough complain about DQRM of dxpeds. But if skimmers give no care
to bandplans? It will be more war in cw segment!!
73 LB3RE søndag, 07 februar 2016, 04:26p.m. +01:00 from Rudy Bakalov via
RTTY rtty@contesting.com >:
Tim,
There is one limitation of the RBN data to keep in mind- the vast majority
of RTTY skimmers have narrow segments due to the significant CPU
requirements to process wide segments. I have set mine to the following,
precisely to see what happens during contests like CQ WPX and CQ WW RTTY:
RttySegments=3523000-3610000,7020000-7105000,14040000-14145000,21040000
-21155000,28040000-28182000
Rudy N2WQ
From: Tim Shoppa < tshoppa@gmail.com >
To: Rudy Bakalov < r_bakalov@yahoo.com >
Cc: " rtty@contesting.com " < rtty@contesting.com >
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans
Rudy, that's a brilliant set of graphs. Thank you so much! I'm going to see
if I can do the same use reversebeacon data for other major RTTY contests.
For BARTG I'm not surprised that the EU band plan is adopted, given what
the "B" in BARTG stands for.
But in ARRL RTTY RU I'm surprised we don't let the EU guys CQ below 7050
where they like to be while the NA guys go above 7080. Instead there's a
bunch of NA guys below 7050 CQ'ing and making it hard to work the EU. Not a
good way to make RTTY RU more popular in EU (and I would like it to be more
popular in EU).
Now, in CQ WW RTTY, all gloves come off :-) Correct me if I'm wrong...
in CQ WW RTTY we spread out all the way to 7100. While the EU stuff tends
to be lower, I worked a lot of EU RTTY above 7080 in CQ WW RTTY. So I'm
thinking it's tradition or avoiding phone QRM that the EU's like to stay
lower, that they don't actually have rules prohibiting RTTY above 7080?
Maybe in a super major RTTY contest like CQ WW RTTY the phone guys are
avoiding 7080-7100 but in the less major contests like ARRL RTTY RU there
is not that critical mass to drive phone out of that segment?
Tim N3QE
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Rudy Bakalov < r_bakalov@yahoo.com > wrote:
Here's where the stations are, based on RBN data from BARTG
https://public.tableau.com/views/BARTGRTTYSprint2016/FrequencybyContine
nt?:embed=y&:display_count=yes&:showTabs=y
Rudy N2WQ
From: Tim Shoppa < tshoppa@gmail.com >
To: rtty@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 9:48 AM
Subject: [RTTY] 40M RTTY band plans
Bill writes:
This anomaly on 40 is a result of the JA band restrictions which were
in place for many years. The JAs were limited to
7030-7045 so that's where everyone congregated, even when working non
JAs.
I can certainly understand that perspective from the west coast. But as
I see it from the east coast, the reason is that in EU the 40M phone
segment starts at 7050 or 7060, and all the EU guys like to be below
7050 :-)
40M band plan has improved in recent years, as SW broadcasters move up
or out. Still it's very common for 7080 region to be littered with
phone stuff from Europe or South America (incidentally... most of them not
ID'ing...
just saying I'm pretty sure it's not legal ham activity.)
In CQ WW there's enough RTTY activity that activity spreads out all the
way up past 7080 to 7100 easy.
A real highlight of my RTTY RU 40M experience, given that it happens
near winter solstice, is when I'm calling CQ on 40M well before my
sunset and work JA's (presumably long path). That's a thrill. So I'm
real glad there's been recent improvements to JA 40M RTTY segment.
I'm actually surprised that I had so many QSO's below 7050 in RTTY RU
yet there is not a whole lot of EU in RTTY RU. (Certainly not like CQ
WW where there is a whole lot of EU activity on 40M and well every
band!). Don't get me wrong, I love working the EU guys in RTTY RU, but
I'm surprsied that we "adopt the EU band plan" in RTTY RU despite the
fact that EU is small compared to domestic stuff in RTTY RU. You might
think a more rational approach, would be to let the EU guys CQ below
7050, and we go down there to work them, while we are CQ'ing higher up.
Instead all the NA guys go CQ'ing below 7050 and make it dang hard to
work the EU guys who genuinely have a reason to be dowh there.
80M is still less than optimal with EU able to do RTTY above 3600 but
not USA. So in the really big RTTY contests we end up going below 3580
which starts some frequency fights with other digital modes in the
3570-3580 region.
Tim N3QE
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