Your right Jeff. There should be a space before the last "(CR/LF)". Just
got lost in the e-mail line wrap-around.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Jeff Blaine <keepwalking188@yahoo.com>wrote:
> Mike,
>
> You may also want to drop that last CR/LF in favor of a space. Otherwise
> you make the guy on the other end chase you up the page unnecessarily.
>
> 73/jeff/ac0c
> www.ac0c.com
> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
>
>
> *From:* Mike <k4gmh@arrl.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 16, 2012 4:59 PM
> *To:* rtty@contesting.com
> *Cc:* k0rc@citlink.net ; Jeff Blaine <keepwalking188@yahoo.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [RTTY] (no subject)
>
>
> Regarding the sending of the call at the end of the exchange:
>
> - If I am running I'll only send the call of the station I'm answering
> at the end of the exchange (the call is always sent at the beginning of the
> exchange) when: a. Several stations answered my CQ and are still calling
> when start sending my exchange, or; b. When I think I may have started
> sending the exchange when he may still be transmitting, or; c. At the end
> of the "K1XXX TU(CR/LF)Now K2XX 599 VA VA K2XX (CR/LF)" exchange.
> - I don't send the other station's call, or my call, at the end of my
> S&P exchange.
>
> Regarding "a." above, I sometimes still don't send the call at the end of
> the exchange if I know my signal is strong into his location or the other
> stations stop sending their calls about the same time the station I am
> answering did, or the other stations calling were not as loud as the
> station I answer.
>
> You have to get a feel for when to send the call at the end of the
> exchange. Suspect I send the other station's call at the end of the
> exchange about 50% of the time.
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Blaine <keepwalking188@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Robert you are right.
>>
>> The place to get the run station's call is off his CQ. Not off the
>> exchange.
>>
>> 73/jeff/ac0c
>> www.ac0c.com
>> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Chudek - K0RC
>> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 1:26 PM
>> To: rtty@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] (no subject)
>>
>> "Think about it.
>> I am doing S/P tuning across his frequency and I see:
>> k1xx 599<exch> <exch> k1xx"
>>
>> When I am in S&P and I come across this exchange, all I know is the
>> station transmitting is not K1XX. The exchange is configured for the
>> benefit of two stations trying to make a QSO as efficiently as possible.
>> It is not configured to give a S&P station some advantage.
>>
>> "Who is the calling station?"
>> As a S&P station, you will just have to wait and see.
>>
>> "Who is the station running the frequency?
>> As a S&P station, you will just have to wait and see.
>>
>> "So who should I call?"
>> As a S&P station, you will just have to wait and see.
>>
>> "Are you saying I should just send out my call without knowing who I am
>> trying to contact."
>> Absolutely NOT! You should never call blind! As a S&P station, you will
>> just
>> have to wait and see.
>>
>> "How about this:
>> k1xx 599<exch> <exch> k1xx de w6wrt"
>> That's just a waste of the transmitting stations time (and the receiving
>> station as well).
>>
>> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> On 1/16/2012 12:57 PM, Richard Cariello wrote:
>> > Bob,
>> > That's what makes this a horse race. As the person who is running the
>> > frequency the more time he gets his call out the better will be his
>> rate.
>> >
>> > Think about it.
>> > I am doing S/P tuning across his frequency and I see:
>> > k1xx 599<exch> <exch> k1xx
>> >
>> > Who is the calling station?
>> > Who is the station running the frequency?
>> > So who should I call?
>> > Are you saying I should just send out my call without knowing who I am
>> > trying to contact. I see this allot but that station never gets called
>> > because he has already been worked, just adding QRM to the frequency.
>> >
>> > You come across this type of operation allot during SSB contests. The
>> > station will run signing as "QRZ". After a while I simply call the
>> station
>> > as "QRZ" but at least the next time I tune across this station I can at
>> > least ID his voice.
>> >
>> > How about this:
>> > k1xx 599<exch> <exch> k1xx de w6wrt
>> >
>> > As the station doing S/P this would let me see who is running the
>> > frequency and give the station he is working the second chance to know
>> it
>> > is his report. Now I will know as the S/P station if I need him or not.
>> >
>> > Rich AA2MF
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC wrote:
>> >
>> >> He is not signing as the other station. The other station already knows
>> >> he is working W6WRT. It's a waste of time sending W6WRT again.
>> >>
>> >> Bill also knows his call sign, so there's no benefit for him seeing it
>> >> again either.
>> >>
>> >> There is a benefit. That is when the first K1XX gets covered up by
>> "tail
>> >> enders" and "long callers". Nobody knows who the report is being sent
>> to
>> >> (other than W6WRT). Having the call sign on the end ensures the
>> intended
>> >> station knows he is being worked.
>> >>
>> >> I lost count of the number of times I received "4:XC-ALU4C 599 CA CA
>> BK"
>> >> on my screen. Then I simply WAIT until the station resends his report
>> >> and I can tell whether he is working me or someone else.
>> >>
>> >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
>> >>
>> >>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 1/16/2012 8:13 AM, Richard Cariello wrote:
>> >>> Bill W6WRT,
>> >>> I am just getting back into RTTY myself and greatly enjoying the mode.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am wondering why you are signing as the other station:
>> >>>
>> >>> ME: K1XX 599<EXCH> <EXCH> K1XX
>> >>>
>> >>> I would use:
>> >>>
>> >>> ME: k1xx 599<exch> <exch> w6wrt (your callsign)
>> >>>
>> >>> If conditions are bad then double the callsigns as needed to make the
>> >>> QSO.
>> >>>
>> >>> Rich AA2MF
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Duane Budd wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Bill said:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "When I'm running, I want to verify two things from the calling
>> >>>> station:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1. He's working me and not another station on the frequency that I
>> >>>> can't
>> >>>> hear.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> and
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2. That he has my callsign correct.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Unless the calling station sends my call at some point, how would I
>> >>>> verify
>> >>>> the above?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here's how I like it when I'm running:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ME: CQ TEST W6WRT W6WRT CQ
>> >>>> HIM: K1XX K1XX K1XX (or only twice if condx good, never just once)
>> >>>> ME: K1XX 599<EXCH> <EXCH> K1XX
>> >>>> HIM: W6WRT 599<EXCH> <EXCH> K1XX
>> >>>> ME: K1XX TU W6WRT CQ
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There is some redundancy in the above, but during a busy contest when
>> >>>> often
>> >>>> there are several stations on the same frequency, some redundancy is
>> a
>> >>>> necessity, IMO. Otherwise you are likely to log the wrong station.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 73, Bill W6WRT"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And that is exactly the way I do it and for the same reasons.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> While I am not a pro like AA5AU, I enjoy RTTY contesting and it has
>> >>>> become
>> >>>> my favorite operating joy...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Budd, W5BEN
>> >>>> dcbudd@embarqmail.com
>> >>>> Johnson City, TN
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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> Mike, K4GMH
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