The Azores Islands are Europe, and there is no competing from Noord Europe whit
that in the CQ WW. Lets change that to.
73
Steef Http://www.PA3S.tk
Op 11 mei 2013 om 19:02 heeft Dale Putnam <daleputnam@hotmail.com> het volgende
geschreven:
> I also agree, with Rick and Fabio, after having been pushed out of the
> competition, by the wall of RF from the East Coast. This change would make it
> much more palatable to join in again.
>
> Have a great day,
>
>
> --... ...--
> Dale - WC7S in Wy
>
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 17:33:48 +0200
>> From: fabio.grisafi@libero.it
>> To: rick@nq4i.com; ku8e@bellsouth.net
>> CC: cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] R: Re: Is the wpx a prefix test or dx contest?
>>
>> Hello Guys!
>>
>> From my little point of view, I agree with Rick, NQ4I.
>>
>> Here in Europe we will work USA stations as well if the points per QSO don't
>> go to 6 on low bands. If the way to win is to work as many multipliers as
>> possible, working North American stations always bring 1 multiplier every 3
>> or
>> 4 QSOs. So, we will have to concentrate on propagation over the atlantic
>> but,
>> with 3 points only, there will be no advantage to be near the coast of the
>> atlantic ocean and you will see many more teams into all of Europe competing
>> for a winning place. More game, more fun!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Fabio Grisafi - IT9GSF.
>> =====================================================
>>
>>> ----Messaggio originale----
>>> Da: rick@nq4i.com
>>> Data: 11/05/2013 11.38
>>> A: "Jeff Clarke"<ku8e@bellsouth.net>
>>> Cc: "CQ Contest"<cq-contest@contesting.com>
>>> Ogg: Re: [CQ-Contest] Is the wpx a prefix test or dx contest?
>>>
>>> To say it is an apples to orange comparison, is to say you do not
>>> comprehend what the topic of conversation has been.
>>>
>>> When a fully staffed M-M team has to make 2400 additional qso's to make the
>>> same score as a M-S team that is not any band full time, is
>>> what I am talking about. The WPX contest has the geographical advantage
>>> because of the low band point system that awards a huge advantage
>>> to any New England station.
>>>
>>> Yes it is true that the NQ4I team has won a number of previous
>>> WPXcontests.....but with that in mind, there was no legit competition
>>> from New
>>> England. Had KC1XX operated in this contest, he would, on a bad day make
>>> 30% more qso's than NQ4I and on a good day 80-100% more qsos. These
>>> qsoscoming from two areas...the low bands and the high bands where he
>>> has a
>>> tremendous advantage to hear and work stations that will never be heard or
>>> worked at the next propagation hop.
>>>
>>> My proposal for the point scoring of 3 points per qso regardless makes the
>>> contest truer to its stated objective and removes the geographical
>>> advantage. For any M-M there are only so many finite contacts possible.
>>> KU8E would have us believe that there is a wealth of stateside stations
>>> that could be worked thus creating a super inflated score for the NQ4I
>>> team. Not true. The qsos made would not improve, because
>>> there are not additional qso's to be made. The well is already dry.
>>>
>>> So we are back to the low band point system that awards more points for
>>> stations that have geographical nearness and penalizes those that do not.
>>>
>>> Suffice it to say, K1LZ and his team are not dumb....they know that to make
>>> a winning score they need to make as many 6 point qso's as possible...the
>>> NQ4I team likewise knows the point breakdown and the need for 6 point
>>> qso's....K1LZ
>>> spends only a few hours on 80m...NQ4I has
>>> 2 full time ops and maintains a strong presence on the band both cq'ing and
>>> S & P'ing and cannot begin to work as many qso's as the brief foray on the
>>> band of K1LZ.
>>>
>>> To carry the score extrapolation a little further out. in this example, it
>>> takes the NQ4I team 2400 qso's to equal K1LZ's score...had KC1XX been on,
>>> the score differential would be an additional 3000 qso's deficit for the
>>> NQ4I team to over come. In other words for the NQ4I team to equal the
>>> score differential from a KC1XX competitor, some thing around 5400
>>> qsoswould make the scores comparable, nearly twice as many
>>> qso's.
>>>
>>> If we consider KC1XX makes the exact number of qso's as NQ4I ( and we
>>> assume he maintains 3.17 qso points ratio as K1LZ) we have:
>>>
>>> 7077 qso's 1450 prefixes = 32.6 million points
>>>
>>> applying 3 points per qso we have
>>>
>>> 7077 qso's 1450 prefixes = 30.7 Mil
>>>
>>> The scores are equal because the same number of qso's were made, and to
>>> clinch the win, one of the two teams needs to work another prefix, not
>>> another low band contact where advantage exists now.
>>>
>>> KU8e would have us believe that NQ4I is hoarding stateside qso's and if the
>>> rules change to 3 points per contact, then NQ4I will have a tremendous
>>> advantage. I say make the contest true to it's stated objective....a prefix
>>> contest...plain and simple. The winner is determined by who works the most
>>> qso's and prefixes...not who has the best geographical advantage with an
>>> outdated and biased point system.
>>>
>>> de NQ4I
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Clarke <ku8e@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why this is a big deal?? Comparing a M/S score to a M/M score is like
>>>> comparing apples to oranges. It’s ridiculous to consider giving 3 points
>>>> for domestic QSO’s in this contest. I live in GA – probably 75 miles from
>>>> NQ4I and we would have a HUGE advantage vs. the East Coast on 20 and 40
>>>> meters because of our skip zone to the highly populated USA call areas. Be
>>>> thankful that the rules were changed to give points for W/K QSO’s to make
>>>> the contest more fun or the difference in scores would be even greater. It
>>>> used to be ZERO points. Plus NQ4I has won M/M several times so I don’t
>>>> understand why he has a beef against the rules.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe give some credit to Krassy and his team for a great score. K1LZ has
>>>> consistently put in some great scores in M/S that have beat some of the top
>>>> contenders in M2X in several contests.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff KU8E
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