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1. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: DAVID CUTHBERT <telegrapher9@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:08:18 -0700
Carl. I quantified ground loss in the near field. Now it's your turn. Numbers please, not adjectives or hand waving. _______________________________________________ It is undesirable to believe a pro
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00475.html (21,602 bytes)

2. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: DAVID CUTHBERT <telegrapher9@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:23:05 -0700
Carl, What we do in the near-field to control ground loss affects the far-field signal equally at all elevations. Therefore there is no need to measure far-field field strength at more than one eleva
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00476.html (23,132 bytes)

3. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: DAVID CUTHBERT <telegrapher9@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:11:29 -0700
Carl, why would we need a helicopter when we have simulation software? How much ground loss, or if you prefer, what difference in field strength do you calculate for a half wavelength vertical with a
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00477.html (26,500 bytes)

4. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: "Shoppa, Tim" <tshoppa@wmata.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:21:33 +0000
Dave... would it be a fair extrapolation to take your last sentence, and draw the conclusion that if adding radials changes feed impedance, then there was actual ground loss in the near field? Or tha
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00478.html (10,801 bytes)

5. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:32:43 -0600
It seems to me that a 1/2 wave monopole would need longer radials than a 1/4 wave vertical to help accomplish that. The point of current max on radials under a 1/2 wave ground-mounted vertical would
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00479.html (10,104 bytes)

6. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: W2RU - Bud Hippisley <W2RU@frontiernet.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:48:40 -0500
I've seen lots of reference to Kraus, Brown et al., and others in this discussion, but this is the first time I've seen anyone trot out a philosopher to support their position regarding radials. I wo
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00480.html (9,895 bytes)

7. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: DAVID CUTHBERT <telegrapher9@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:42:17 -0700
Tim, I believe those are valid conclusions. Referencing *Vertical antenna ground system experiment #1*, by Rudy Severns: 1) Table 1 shows that going from 8 radials to 64 radials increases field stren
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00481.html (11,249 bytes)

8. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:44:59 -0500
Dave... would it be a fair extrapolation to take your last sentence, and draw the conclusion that if adding radials changes feed impedance, then there was actual ground loss in the near field? Or tha
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00482.html (13,220 bytes)

9. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: "Bill Aycock" <billaycock@centurytel.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:15:33 -0600
Gentlemen-- I am learning a LOT, but there is a Great Deal of confusion (at least in my mind) because at least three quite different conditions are involved. We have the base fed 1/4 wave vertical; t
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00484.html (10,616 bytes)

10. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: Donald Chester <k4kyv@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:29:49 +0000
Tom is correct in that a half wave vertical wouldn't have zero current at the base feed point; I should have said "near-zero", since if it actually had zero current there would by definition be zero
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00485.html (10,626 bytes)

11. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: "Rick Karlquist" <richard@karlquist.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:45:57 -0800
If the issue of have "something to push against" were critical, the obvious work around would be to feed the vertical dipole in the center. Apparently, this issue is not all that critical because hal
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00486.html (7,811 bytes)

12. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: DAVID CUTHBERT <telegrapher9@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:27:08 -0700
Tim, I ran some sims using a work-around I developed to allow NEC-2 to mimic NEC-4 ground loss results. This sim is for a 90 degree, 1.8 MHz vertical over Medium ground. I get correlation within 0.06
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00487.html (12,287 bytes)

13. Re: Topband: Ground mounted 1/2 and 1/4 wave verticals (was GAP) (score: 1)
Author: "Richard Fry" <rfry@adams.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:48:45 -0600
In 1937, Brown, Lewis and Epstein of RCA Labs published a benchmark experimental study of this in the Proceedings of the IRE - still covered by copyright. But clips from it have been available on lin
/archives//html/Topband/2012-12/msg00495.html (8,802 bytes)


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