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121. Re: [VHFcontesting] Publishing logs (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:31:03 -0800 (PST)
We operate openly, on public airwaves and able to be surveilled without our knowledge by anyone with a receiver -- yet the claimed result of that operation is hidden from view of other licensed parti
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00053.html (7,194 bytes)

122. [VHFcontesting] A definition [was: More Roving] (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:55:37 -0800 (PST)
A "Pack Rover" travels predominantly with the interests of the pack in mind. Those interests may result in any of several actions, including grid circling. They may include "captive rovering" as well
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00091.html (9,917 bytes)

123. Re: [VHFcontesting] Publishing logs (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:12:57 -0800 (PST)
-- Of course, you're spot-on, Dave. Your logs are your logs. I'm uncertain if there is any assurance of privacy once they are submitted, however. As such, I believe that the sponsor is best served t
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00093.html (8,767 bytes)

124. Re: [VHFcontesting] Why "Unlimited" (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:04:18 -0800 (PST)
This is the core of the issue. Rover scores are calculated differently than all other categories. Therefore they are incentivized differently and therefore they act differently. A first step would b
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00115.html (8,822 bytes)

125. Re: [VHFcontesting] A reasonable approach to the grid circlingproblem.... (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:18:26 -0800 (PST)
Your informant is incorrect. :) There are two possible strategies to put this to bed: 1. Align Rover Class scoring methods to that of other classes 2. Further tweak them to eliminate the ability to
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00116.html (9,136 bytes)

126. [VHFcontesting] Club strategies: Round-tabling (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:36:54 -0800 (PST)
Round-tabling. The Packrats, the Rochester VHF Group and others, I'd bet, did it. It is the non-Rover equivalent of Grid Circling. There are slight variations, but generally, all club members meet on
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00117.html (8,098 bytes)

127. Re: [VHFcontesting] A reasonable approach to the grid circlingproblem.... (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:45:17 -0800 (PST)
If grid-circling is what needs to be eliminated. This would do it. What else would you do, if you couldn't re-enter a previously activated grid, to similarly boost your score? ______________________
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00134.html (9,886 bytes)

128. Re: [VHFcontesting] A reasonable approach to the grid circlingproblem.... (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:53:38 -0800 (PST)
-- Ahhh, the universal loophole. I'd forgotten about that one and now remember stumbling across a single rover with three operators and three callsigns all using the same equipment...making QSO's wit
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00135.html (10,021 bytes)

129. Re: [VHFcontesting] A reasonable approach to the grid circlingproblem.... (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:06:45 -0800 (PST)
Not according to the present adjudicating strategies. In fact, despite failing to meet the objective of the contest (first rule in each contest), they are rewarded by seeing their call sign in the t
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00136.html (10,659 bytes)

130. Re: [VHFcontesting] rover rule suggestion (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:49:18 -0800 (PST)
-- As someone who has operated in all categories, I: 1. Agree with your frustrations/observations in regard to the Rover category 2. Believe that this particular proposal only complicates things The
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00142.html (7,916 bytes)

131. Re: [VHFcontesting] A reasonable approach to the grid circlingproblem.... (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:38:07 -0800 (PST)
First...I understand your play at true comedic sarcasm, but I'm unsure that others did. So, please read on... -- Everything that you cited (Taking time out to sleep, Taking a bathroom break, Leaving
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00143.html (11,036 bytes)

132. Re: [VHFcontesting] Roving Rules and Scoring that Work (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:31:56 -0800 (PST)
-- Precisely. That is the reason behind the suggestion that Rover scores simply be calculated just like everyone elses. No other category gains a benefit from a rover's grid-circling (re-entering a g
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00146.html (7,515 bytes)

133. Re: [VHFcontesting] (Rover) What does N6NB et al say? (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:46:42 -0800 (PST)
My take-away, based on... http://commfaculty.fullerton.edu/woverbeck/rover.htm Pgph 1-3: Wayne (and crew) roves because it is fun. What's fun to *them*? Operating in Road Rally style (with grid-base
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00150.html (8,262 bytes)

134. Re: [VHFcontesting] (Rover) What does N6NB et al say? (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:47:09 -0800 (PST)
-- This is the first posting that I've seen that even infers name calling, though it's possible that I've missed something. I'm impressed with the thread's focus on the root-cause issue, actually. My
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00161.html (9,164 bytes)

135. Re: [VHFcontesting] roving (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:59:32 -0800 (PST)
-- You got fresh cookie dough? :) Ev, W2EV _______________________________________________ VHFcontesting mailing list VHFcontesting@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/vhfcont
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00172.html (7,362 bytes)

136. Re: [VHFcontesting] HELP! Looking for stacking info on 1.2GHZ yagis (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:34:40 -0800 (PST)
Hi Joe, I can see how this can be confusing. I'm going to take a non-technical whack at it for you. Let's assume that your antennas use flat elements (planar). When looking at the end (down the boom)
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-11/msg00213.html (8,732 bytes)

137. Re: [VHFcontesting] VHF logs made public (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:41:32 -0800 (PST)
SNIP SNIP -- BRAVO! Ev, W2EV PS: My logs have always been posted here: http://www.rfsport.com/Scoreboard_Central.html Click on <Scoreboard> then, select my Callsign __________________________________
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-12/msg00012.html (7,915 bytes)

138. Re: [VHFcontesting] Great idea -- Kudos to Grid Pirates (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:45:30 -0800 (PST)
-- These are two different items that happen to have been discussed on the same list(s). I certainly didn't connect them in my mind. Bus driver...open those logs! er...somethin' like that. :) Ev Tupi
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-12/msg00026.html (8,251 bytes)

139. Re: [VHFcontesting] Great idea -- Kudos to Grid Pirates (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:46:14 -0800 (PST)
Again, this isn't about fixing anything. It is not related to anything being broken. Opening logs is simply a natural progression to the radio sport. _______________________________________________ V
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-12/msg00042.html (9,006 bytes)

140. Re: [VHFcontesting] Great idea -- Kudos to Grid Pirates (score: 1)
Author: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:05:04 -0800 (PST)
-- Hey Buck, we find reasons to complain about our competition even without open logs. :) This reminds me of the furor that I see when GPS and AVL systems are installed in company vehicles. At first
/archives//html/VHFcontesting/2008-12/msg00045.html (9,802 bytes)


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