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21. Re: Topband: Salt-Water Qth! (score: 1): Author: Nick Hall-Patch <nhp@ieee.org>; Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:53:41 +0000; Please see the articles on sea gain (from technical reports of the BBC Engineering Department), referenced by Chuck Hutton, which I believe addresses this very phenomenon. 73, Nick As I recall, the v; /archives//html/Topband/2015-04/msg00030.html (8,421 bytes)
22. Re: Topband: Salt-Water Qth! (score: 1): Author: "john@kk9a.com" <john@kk9a.com>; Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 09:59:31 -0500; I did not recall seeing tests for verticals a wavelength or more way from the sea so I checked the team vertical website and found the following: John KK9A While field testing the verticals this past; /archives//html/Topband/2015-04/msg00033.html (10,432 bytes)
23. Re: Topband: Salt-Water Qth! (score: 1): Author: "Clive GM3POI" <clive@gm3poi.com>; Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 12:24:02 -0500; The problem John, with that experiment is it does not tell you what is happening just above the very lowest angle. By modelling you can see that the last lobe to reduce is that contained down near th; /archives//html/Topband/2015-04/msg00034.html (11,685 bytes)
24. Re: Topband: Salt-Water Qth! (score: 1): Author: Kenneth Silverman <kenny.k2kw@gmail.com>; Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 12:51:32 -0400; Below, KK9A took a snip from my web page. When I wrote that, I missed one very important point: simple trigonometry. Let's imagine a perfectly straight coastline, and we place a 160 vertical 1/2 WL b; /archives//html/Topband/2015-04/msg00035.html (11,095 bytes)
25. Re: Topband: Salt-Water Qth! (score: 1): Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy@gmail.com>; Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 16:14:41 -0400; These kinds of results are like my walkabout-on-the-beach results with my Elecraft K2/10/battery plus short antenna. I was listening during the IOTA (lots of stations) to 40m CW signals which should; /archives//html/Topband/2015-04/msg00038.html (9,992 bytes)
26. Re: Topband: Salt-Water Qth! (score: 1): Author: Herbert Schoenbohm <herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com>; Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 17:14:21 -0400; This is fascinating stuff. My 160 meter vertical is less than 2 wavelengths away from the Great Pond Bay and the salt water lagoon inside which includes a floodplain of very brackish water. This is p; /archives//html/Topband/2015-04/msg00039.html (11,026 bytes)
27. Topband: Salt-Water Qth! (score: 1): Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy@gmail.com>; Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:59:39 -0400; front property is better than a location inland about a mile or so on a ridge overlooking salt water for HF. ... I understand the theory that verticals literally in or on the water have a huge advant; /archives//html/Topband/2015-04/msg00050.html (15,056 bytes)
28. Re: Topband: Salt-Water Qth! (score: 1): Author: James Rodenkirch <rodenkirch_llc@msn.com>; Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 14:06:28 -0600; "A LID operating QRO at an excellent northeastern US sea view site with excellent antennas -- is still only a *loud* LID, who is able to cause a lot more interference and consternation than a weak LI; /archives//html/Topband/2015-04/msg00052.html (16,955 bytes)
29. Re: Topband: Salt-Water Qth! (score: 1): Author: Chuck Hutton <charlesh3@msn.com>; Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 21:28:39 +0000; W3RE : Apparently you missed the references I cited for BBC Engineering reports.Apparently everyone else did also, as they've not been mentioned since. And as for only hams being aware of seaside gai; /archives//html/Topband/2015-04/msg00054.html (11,476 bytes)
30. Re: Topband: Salt-Water Qth! (score: 1): Author: "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz@verizon.net>; Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:39:05 -0400; And it is very close to a nice golf course N2TK, Tony Hi Paul, Its the perfect location for a Topband 4-square array! It would be even better if the array were in the marsh... Marshland Road, Hilton; /archives//html/Topband/2015-04/msg00055.html (11,050 bytes)
31. Re: Topband: Salt-Water Qth! (score: 1): Author: Art Snapper <art@nk8x.net>; Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:48:06 -0400; While reading this thread, the concept of purchasing the Radio Caroline ship came to mind several times. It would probably be cheaper than the land, if it is still available. :) 73 Art NK8X _________; /archives//html/Topband/2015-04/msg00056.html (12,447 bytes)

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