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1. [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: <jim.linda@roadrunner.com>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 02:59:56 -0500; When I first went to school to study electronics they taught the theory called Hole Flow. Lets start with the idea that there may be more than one way to have a free electron looking for a home. When; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00140.html (7,671 bytes)
2. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: "Roger (K8RI)" <k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 03:54:29 -0400; On 8/28/2013 2:59 AM, jim.linda@roadrunner.com wrote: When I first went to school to study electronics they taught the theory called Hole Flow. Lets start with the idea that there may be more than on; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00141.html (8,327 bytes)
3. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: Bill Turner <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:18:31 -0700; ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped) REPLY: "Hole flow" is an illusion, much like the moving lights on a theater marquee. If it helps to understand things fine, but holes don't move. It's more accurate; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00150.html (7,330 bytes)
4. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: donroden@hiwaay.net; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:36:53 -0500; I visualize a golf course where a gazillion holes are trying to grab a ball. Should be a par 18. Don W4DNR ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped) They still refer to "hole flow" in introductory semicondu; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00154.html (7,984 bytes)
5. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: "Paul Christensen" <w9ac@arrl.net>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:13:12 -0400; 'For a brief time while the electron is in motion, there are actually two holes. Neither one "moves".' I can think of related examples of illusory flows and movement: current - when it's charge that; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00156.html (8,101 bytes)
6. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: "Fuqua, Bill L" <wlfuqu00@uky.edu>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:25:40 +0000; That is why holes can't be used to describe vacuum devices, because a hole is just that, it is the "hole" left in an atom where there was once an electron. Just catching up on this thread and working; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00158.html (8,501 bytes)
7. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:05:13 -0500; Absolutely it is an illusion. IIRC, that was erroneously introduced into textbooks around 1970 the same time as the "electricity flows from positive to negative" nonsense. Whoever came up with the la; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00159.html (8,416 bytes)
8. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: peter chadwick <g8on@fsmail.net>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 20:33:26 +0200; == Message Received: Aug 28 2013, 07:31 PM From: "peter chadwick" <g8on@fsmail.net> To: "Mike Waters" <mikewate@gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow Scroggie's 1960 book "Principles; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00160.html (9,228 bytes)
9. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:14:36 -0400; I learned the correct way in USN ET school in 1959-60 and then when I went to National and elsewhere it was always the lazy thinkers way instead. I still think the old way as its in my DNA! Carl KM1H; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00162.html (9,782 bytes)
10. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: "Roger (K8RI)" <k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:56:07 -0400; On 8/28/2013 2:05 PM, Mike Waters wrote: Absolutely it is an illusion. IIRC, that was erroneously introduced into textbooks around 1970 the same time as the "electricity flows from positive to negati; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00164.html (9,556 bytes)
11. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: "Roger (K8RI)" <k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 18:06:09 -0400; Scroggie's 1960 book "Principles of Semiconductors" talks of 'holes', and the idea was old then. I always found it confusing, especially when we got into majority and minority conductors in transisto; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00165.html (11,538 bytes)
12. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: "Fuqua, Bill L" <wlfuqu00@uky.edu>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:23:11 +0000; sometimes I fell like Ben, given a 50-50 chance I always get it wrong. Bill ________________________________________ From: Amps [amps-bounces@contesting.com] on behalf of Roger (K8RI) [k8ri@rogerhals; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00166.html (10,560 bytes)
13. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: "Fuqua, Bill L" <wlfuqu00@uky.edu>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:36:30 +0000; In a workshop I teach, I explain to young students how current flows thru conductors. I put them all in a circle and insert myself into the circle. Then I tell them that they are the atoms that make; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00167.html (12,049 bytes)
14. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: "Roger (K8RI)" <k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>; Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 20:04:03 -0400; On 8/28/2013 6:36 PM, Fuqua, Bill L wrote: In a workshop I teach, I explain to young students how current flows thru conductors. I put them all in a circle and insert myself into the circle. Then I t; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00169.html (13,240 bytes)
15. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: Bill Turner <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>; Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:52:51 -0700; ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped) REPLY: Actually that particular piece of nonsense was originated by good 'ol Ben Franklin and has been perpetuated by the Kool-Aid drinkers ever since. Good thing B; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00175.html (8,793 bytes)
16. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: Bill Turner <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>; Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:54:59 -0700; ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped) REPLY: Further proof of Murphy's Law, as if we needed more. 73, Bill W6WRT _______________________________________________ Amps mailing list Amps@contesting.com htt; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00176.html (8,481 bytes)
17. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: Bill Turner <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>; Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:58:03 -0700; ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped) REPLY: It's true that the individual electrons move rather slowly, but the force they exert moves at nearly the speed of light. 73, Bill W6WRT _____________________; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00177.html (9,418 bytes)
18. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: Bill Turner <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>; Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:00:30 -0700; ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped) REPLY: There is something intrinsically honest about tubes. Semiconductors have always seemed like some kind of evil magic. :-) 73, Bill W6WRT _____________________; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00178.html (8,192 bytes)
19. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>; Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:17:08 -0500; I appreciate all the replies to my comment about the direction of current flow (which I have ALWAYS thought of as the direction that electrons flow). My comments below. Ben Franklin had a 50-50 chanc; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00194.html (14,455 bytes)
20. Re: [Amps] Electron HOLE flow (score: 1): Author: "Paul Elliott" <paab@valornet.com>; Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 21:21:46 -0500; Everyone is free to use whatever nomenclature he or she wants, but communication is easier when everybody uses the same nomenclature. Currents exist in places other than wires or inside vacuum tubes.; /archives//html/Amps/2013-08/msg00196.html (8,940 bytes)

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