I am still puzzled why the problem with pack-rovering continues to be
misunderstood.
It is a team of rovers working together. They need to be recognized as
a team and therefore not equivalent to a non-team, or independent rover.
There is no direct analogy to this situation, but the closest one is
where you have single operators, and multiple operators. Multi ops are
scored differently than single ops.
Multiple rovers working together need to be scored differently than
single rovers.
> Eating someone elses belongings is wrong, and would be considered
stealing
> in the eyes of the law. I know that I can't win my division based on
> antenna height, size, and number of bands I run, in addition to
having other
> committments that prevent me from running the entire length of the
contest.
> Does that make stations with bigger antennas "unethical" in my
eyes?. Does
> that mean I should quit playing in contests also?
>
> 73s John NE0P
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Patterson" <mattpatt@1starnet.com>
> To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Grid Circling
>
>
> > That's easy for you to say when you're not a rover in their
division.
> Take
> > it from someone who is. What they are doing is an unfair
manipulation of
> > the rules and the rules need to be changed. I'm seriously
considering not
> > going out in September because I know I won't have a chance to even
place
> in
> > my division because of the "legal" grid circling tatics employed by
> certain
> > rovers.
> >
> > This kinda reminds me of a problem we have here at work. We have a
> > community refrigerator here and unless you put your name on your
food
> there
> > are a certain few here who will eat it. They know it's not theirs,
they
> > know it's wrong but yet they still do it. Same with grid circling,
they
> > know it's wrong and know it's not ethically right but since it's not
> > breaking any rules they still go out and do it.
> >
> >
> > Matt
> > W5LL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Geiger" <ne0p@lcisp.com>
> > To: <k3uhf@earthlink.net>; "Zack Widup" <w9sz@prairienet.org>;
> > <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Grid Circling
> >
> >
> > > And what exactly is this concept of "wrongness" being based on?
> > >
> > > 1. Is it in violation of FCC rules-NO
> > > 2. Is it in violation of contest rules-NO, if it were they
would
> > > have
> > > been disqualified
> > > 3. Is it in violation of biblical law (either old or new
testament), or
> of
> > > the Koran-NO
> > > 4. Is anyone physically or psychologically harmed by it-NO (unless
> having
> > > to
> > > see this beaten to death on the reflector causes psychological
harm in
> > > some)
> > > 5. Does it violate any other US or international law or treaty-NO
> > >
> > > So what exactly are you basing this "wrongness" on?
> > >
> > > 73s John NE0P
> > > Captive fixed station grid circler
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "frank bechdoldt" <k3uhf@earthlink.net>
> > > To: "Zack Widup" <w9sz@prairienet.org>;
<vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:05 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Grid Circling
> > >
> > >
> > >> well were up to about 60 percent who think its wring so thats 25
of us.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > [Original Message]
> > >> > From: Zack Widup <w9sz@prairienet.org>
> > >> > To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> > >> > Date: 8/25/2005 6:01:45 AM
> > >> > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Grid Circling
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Fisher, Mike wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > I still think the captive rover is WRONG!!!! It may be
allowed (in
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > rules) to ONLY work the stations in your group/club, but to
me if
> > > you're
> > >> > > only giving points to the QUEEN BEE that that's not in the
SPIRIT
> of
> > >> > > contesting.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > As long as it's a win at all costs, this will never get any
better.
> > >> > > Maybe one year I will WIN an event but a "win just to win"
takes
> ALL
> > >> > > the fun out of it.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Mike Fisher N3VOP FM19
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > Once upon a time, microwave activity was nil. I can
understand that
> in
> > >> > the distant past if a club had microwave equipment but no one
to work
> > >> > up
> > >> > there, it made sense to equip others with such gear and have
them go
> > >> > off
> > >> > and work you. At that time there was probably no one else to
work.
> > > I've
> > >> > been considering doing that myself. I have two functional
> transverters
> > >> > for 3456 and 5760 and I'm considering building another for 10
GHz. I
> > >> > can
> > >> > lend them to someone to go off somewhere and work me. BUT - I
know
> of
> > > at
> > >> > least 4 other stations I can now count on to work on 2304 and a
> couple
> > > on
> > >> > the higher bands. I will certainly work them even if it means
> missing
> > >> > some time on 144 or 432, etc. And I hope the person I loan my
> equipment
> > >> to
> > >> > will do the same (work other people).
> > >> >
> > >> > I can't see that as an excuse for "captive stations" on the
lower
> > > VHF/UHF
> > >> > bands, though. There's plenty of people to work there for
most of
> us,
> > >> > anyway.
> > >> >
> > >> > That said, I can see the "grid circling" might be a novel idea
to try
> > >> once
> > >> > just to see what you could accomplish. But I certainly
wouldn't want
> > >> > to
> > >> > do it in every contest. I'd think it would be a matter of "Been
> there,
> > >> > done that, let's try something else new." Especially since gas
prices
> > > are
> > >> > likely to be $4/gallon when the January contest comes around.
> > >> >
> > >> > Me? I still plan on Single-Op Portable on hilltops for most
of my
> > >> > operations. I might get back to Bald Knob with N5RP for
another
> > >> > contest
> > >> > sometime too, if I can manage the schedule. I think we'll be a
more
> > >> > formidable team next time. :-)
> > >> >
> > >> > 73, Zack W9SZ
> > >> >
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