..the entire idea about rules changes in 2016 was to allow assistance.
They ALSO pushed the change to allow single ops to become multi-ops by
allowing signals on 2 bands at once ! This was part of the rules change
and the contest branch made a big deal out of the proposal. It was obvious
enough to me that I complained about it, saying the LAST thing the east
coast needed was every big single op CQing on 6 & 2 at the same time. The
2M band was already crowded out there. But, the rule was passed -
EVERYBODY could transmit on 2 bands at once. And, some of us did in 2016
and 2017 (and probably 2018).
Now you're saying that the quietly rescinded this rule, without any
announcement, and it's NOT OK to transmit on 2 bands at once ? After
making a big deal about the change ? It was in BOLD LETTERS ! !
Yes, I think they DO need to clear this up ! I'm sure there is someone
from the contest branch on this reflector, even though us VHFers are kinda
low priority to them <wink> <j/k>
-W9RM
Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 7:48 AM, Chet S <chetsubaccount@snet.net> wrote:
> Looks to me they did clear this up.
>
> 2016 was not clear that separate bands could or could not be used
> simultaneously (this is not the same as alternately). It also says calling
> CQ on two frequencies at once in a band e.g. 50.125 and 50.160 was not
> allowed.
>
> 2017 clarified this to say no- transmitting on separate bands
> simultaneously cannot be done. And it also went on to disallow alternating
> CQ's on a band in the same mode, for example a SSB CQ on 50.125 followed by
> a SSB CQ farther up at 50.160, followed by a CQ back at 50.125, etc.
>
> 73,
> Chet, N8RA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VHFcontesting <vhfcontesting-bounces@contesting.com> On Behalf Of
> RT Clay
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Signals on 6M and 2M at the same time??
>
> I downloaded the ARRL June VHF rules PDF for 2016, 2017, and 2018 (thanks
> to https://archive.org/ ). The rules did indeed change between 2016 and
> 2017. In 2016 the following was written regarding single ops:
>
>
> 3.1. Single Operator: One person performs all transmitting, receiving,
> spotting, and logging functions as well as equipment and antenna
> adjustments. Only one transmitted signal per band is permitted at any given
> time.
>
> (note that "per band" is in bold as this was part of the big rules changes
> to ARRL VHF contests where chat rooms/etc were also allowed).
>
> In 2017/2018 the rules state:
>
> 3.1. Single Operator: One person performs all transmitting, receiving,
> spotting, and logging functions as well as equipment and antenna
> adjustments. Only one transmitted signal is permitted at any given time;
> alternating CQs on two or more frequencies using the same band and mode is
> prohibited.
>
>
> Now "per band" has been removed. ARRL needs to clear this up!
>
>
> Tor
> N4OGW
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 6/14/18, Chet S <chetsubaccount@snet.net> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Signals on 6M and 2M at the same time??
> To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Date: Thursday, June 14, 2018, 7:09 AM
>
> Of course SO2R is fine for a
> single op as long as you do not transmit on both radios at the same time.
> A
> VHF contest, with its slower QSO rate, is a great way to learn SO2R
>
> Chet, N8RA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VHFcontesting <vhfcontesting-bounces@contesting.com>
> On Behalf Of Sean
> Waite
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 11:53 PM
> To: Alan Larson <wa6azp@gmail.com>;
> Jahnke, Bart, W9JJ <w9jj@arrl.org>
> Cc: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Signals on 6M and 2M at the same time??
>
> I
> think probably the clearest way to get an answer on the legality of
> this is to just ask. Bart, any thoughts? Can a single op run SO2R, or
> beacon on microwaves while working 2 or 6?
>
> 73,
> Sean
> WA1TE
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018
> at 11:39 PM Alan Larson <wa6azp@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Walt, AJ6T
> (EM64) writes:
> > > On the other hand,
> regarding simultaneous transmissions on different > > bands, this ARRL
> June VHF Contest rule suggests that it is allowed:
> >
> >
> > > *7.3.*Only one transmitted
> signal per band (6, 2, 1-1/4, etc) at any > > given time is permitted,
> regardless of mode; alternating CQs on two > > or more frequencies using
> the same band and mode is prohibited.
> > >
> >
> > Is there a definitive answer on this issue??? I would prefer to be >
> > able to transmit simultaneously on multiple bands.? If you are > >
> banging away on 2m MSK144, why should you have to constrain yourself > >
> to only transmit on 6m in between the 2m MS TX sequences?
> >
> > and Zack, W9SZ
> writes:
> > > A lot of people will
> beacon on a microwave band while liaising on > > 144 or > > 432 (or
> even 1296). I figured there was nothing wrong with that.
> >
> > These do
> not conflict. 3.1 describes single operator stations.
>
> > Single operator rules prohibit more
> than one signal at a time. That
> > one
> operator is expected to be operating one band. If the station is > a
> multioperator effort, then it is reasonable to expect that different >
> bands may be active at the same time.
> >
> > By this, one would
> see that having the computer CQing on one band > while the human is on
> another would be a violation of the rules - > there is more than one
> signal at a time. The computer would be a second operator.
> >
> > Thus, Zack is perfectly legit to beacon or auto-cq on one band
> while > operating on another, >>> if he was not entering as a single
> operator <<<.
> > Note the
> exception in rule 7.1 that would allow announcing his > presence (but
> apparently not CQing), even if a single operator.
> >
> > For Walt, there is a definitive
> answer. If you are single-operator,
> >
> you cannot do it. If you are not a multi-op, you can.
> >
> > Walt - I guess the
> EM64 explains why I haven't heard you on here in > the Bay area lately.
> >
> > Alan
> >
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