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Re: [VHFcontesting] 6m, 2m, 70cm EME

To: Ev Tupis <w2ev@yahoo.com>, VHF Contesting eMail Remailer <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] 6m, 2m, 70cm EME
From: David Olean <k1whs@metrocast.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2024 19:26:30 -0400
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Hello Ev

I have been playing on 432 and 222 MHz of late. It seems that a power level of 100 watts will allow you some limited success on 432, but only with the most well equipped stations.  I would strongly suggest rapid polarity adjustments.  That is easy with a single long yagi.   The other suggestion would be to have a very good and selective front end. A big copper cavity in front of your preamp is probably needed if you are going to travel to different spots.  I can almost guarantee that strong digtal TV stations on the low end of the UHF TV band will kill most preamps. I have had serious trouble both on 222 and 432 that really compromised my hearing ability.  After the re packing of the UHF TV channels, there is probably a multi megawatt TV station nearby that will kill your 432 front end. The end result is that digital noise gets into the preamp and s/n ratios go South!

I tried today with KB7Q who was portable in Hawaii. I have a mid level station and had a bunch of trouble due to poor EME conditions.  I used 4 X 12 el with polarity rotation.  Gene had a single  long yagi  (9wl) and 450 watts.  Polarization was quite diffused much of the time, with V and H not being much different. It made Gene's signal very difficult to hear even with his 450 watts.  I am sure a better day would have been easier, but you have to realize that many days will be less than optimum.

I think 432 is your best bet with low power.  I have tried 100 watt QSOs on 222, but success is fleeting. I have done it with my four big yagis, but it is barely possible. I am sure that 144 is even worse unless you are talking about 2 or 3 "super stations". Good luck.

Dave K1WHS


On 9/27/2024 7:47 AM, Ev Tupis via VHFcontesting wrote:
Of the 6, 2, and 70cm bands (those that are most likely to be in a modern HF+ radio), which 
band has been shown to support EME with the least overall ERP?  I'm thinking 
"portable EME" where it isn't possible to transport big antennas or a generator to 
have a kw amp. :-)

Assume that this portable station would target QSOing with only the "top tier" 
of well equipped DX stations.

I'd be interested in only recent experience rather than "back in the day". Also 
interested in both CW (human decode) and FTx (machine decode) modes.
How little power and antenna (ERP) has been successful in making EME contact(s) 
and on what band/mode?
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