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Re: [TowerTalk] 1 or 2 dB

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 1 or 2 dB
From: Michael Tope <W4EF@dellroy.com>
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 10:47:55 -0700
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On 5/19/2022 8:43 AM, Kim Elmore wrote:
My test worked, so I'll try again...

To everyone that has commented: Thank you very much! This discussion is fabulous!

I concede the point that statistically, there is likely to be score improvements with 1 dB power increase and certainly 2 dB. These are best described as statistical improvements and I suspect that the data set has to be moderately large to detect a "significant" difference, that is for a statistic to have much power. Thus a DXer, who is not a contester (there are such things) probably won't notice a significant improvement in how long it takes to break through a pile-up with a power increase of 1 dB. Over a long run, a contester will be able to see a score increase at with a 1 dB power increase.  A smaller data set (possibly much smaller) will show statistical score improvements given a 2 dB increase, significant at some arbitrary p-value.
Perhaps this is what you are getting at, Kim, but unless an operator is switching between power levels on some fairly short time interval, so as to create two otherwise identical data sets, I don't see how you can get any meaningful statistics when looking at small differences in power. Comparing previous contests or within a single contest against another nearby station running a slightly different power still leaves you with a lot of uncontrolled variables.

I tend to skepticism when someone says they can notice a significant improvement given a *single* contest assuming everything else (including the operator) is held constant. It will take several contests to see a *statistical* improvement but I'll now bet it's there. Fewer contests will be required for a 2 dB increase. I prefer resampling (i.e. a permutation test) to parametric statistics simply because parametric test assumptions are almost always violated, leading to unknown degradations of the test's validity.

You could test this hypothesis by taking some public logs and dividing them in two by making one log out of even minute entries and another log out of odd minute entries and comparing the scores (QSOs, QSO points, mults, total score, etc). That would give you some feel for how sensitive a test would be that interleaved Pout vs Pout + NdB with similar dwell intervals. If the score difference between odd and even minutes in the control logs (i.e. constant power logs) was consistently less than 10%, then the power difference in the interleaved power difference logs would have to show a score difference significantly greater than 10% to be considered statistically significant.

73, Mike W4EF

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