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Re: [TowerTalk] 300 ft tower conundrum

To: <towertalk@contesting.com>,"Michael J. Castellano" <km1r@cshore.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 300 ft tower conundrum
From: "RICHARD BOYD" <ke3q@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:05:17 -0500
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Years ago when I was asked to go to A61AJ and help put up towers, put 
together yagis, and install them, I was presented with the first plan, a 
pair of 200-foot towers with long 2" masts and lots of big yagis stacked 
close together.

Drawing on what I'd learned from the sorts of experienced guys who are on 
Towertalk, cumulative (it was before Towertalk I think, or at least I wasn't 
on it), I suggested, instead, four towers of 100' with a single monobander 
on each, 40-10.  Especially from a rare spot, more height wasn't 
necessary -- the main idea would be to run Europe and North America -- 200' 
might be too high to be optimum for Europe anyway -- closer in rare stuff 
was more of a "chip shot" (Africa, Central and South Asia, Middle East, 
Indian Ocean -- Pacific isn't and Caribbean can be tough during parts of the 
openings when you can hear the Caribbeans well but they're beaming NA and 
running loud NAs -- I remember a time when there were half a dozen Africans, 
Indian Oceans, and Middle East stations calling P40W and other Caribbeans 
and not being able to get through! -- frustrating!)

But, 100' towers with single monobanders for 40-10 would be easier to 
install and maintain, etc.  Spaced properly we could put an 80M wire beam 
fixed NW (same beam heading from there for Europe and east coast U.S.), 
though it'd be nice if the towers were higher for that, and further 
expansion would be possible if desired, but these basic, effective, ones 
would be a great start and could become reliable backups if bigger stuff was 
still wanted.  I also suggested a shorter tower right by the hamshack for a 
tribander, as a backup, short coax run, far enough from the others to not 
interfere, etc.

And that's what was done.  One part of it was we wanted to have effective 
antennas up by the end of that week so we could op the CQWW CW, which the 
two of us did.  The next year we had 5 operators and did well, and the next 
year there were 10 of us operating and we set the all time Asia M/M record 
in the CQWW CW, which still stands.

For the station builder not constrained by small real estate and undue cost 
considerations, you can "do it all."  Getting 100' towers up with single 
monobanders is an excellent start and you're on the air bigtime.

Continue on with the huge stuff, the beyond-the-envelope stuff, if you want, 
by all means go for it and have fun.  You end up with separate, redundant, 
antenna systems.  But you don't have to be held back by trying to decide on 
some of the bigger stuff, you can go ahead with "more normal big stuff."

73 - Rich, KE3Q


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael J. Castellano" <km1r@cshore.com>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:02 PM
Subject: [TowerTalk] 300 ft tower conundrum


My humble opinion...

go with shorter towers in a better location.  I have two 300 footers, and if 
it were not for the fact that my company owns them (I'm in the tower 
business), I would never put them up for ham radio.

The initial expense of building and strobing them is high, and the ongoing 
costs to monitor them (alarm company that produces a printed record just in 
case...) And the neighborhood screaming about height and lighting is 
horrendous in most areas. (Even though the lighting is  federally required).

I would go with a bunch of towers UNDER 200, you won't notice the difference 
in almost all cases, and unless you live on top of an airport, you just 
saved a lot of $$ and grief about lighting... and of course, expensive 
steel...

This summer, my 160m dipoles and slopers are coming off the towers...just 
isn't worth the hassle... It can all be done with a quad array of ground 
mounted 1/4 wave verticals...

no matter what you do, the best of success with the project... hope to hear 
a strapping signal on the bands.

73!

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