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Re: [TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: RF Ground is a Myth

To: Paul Plants <w3plp@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: RF Ground is a Myth
From: Drax Felton <draxfelton@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 13:54:36 -0500
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What is the conductivity value of concrete? 




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> On Jan 21, 2015, at 9:07 AM, Paul Plants <w3plp@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Please use the correct tool not a ohm meter but a merger.
> Paul
> W3PLP 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 plus
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 8:29 AM, Patrick Greenlee <patrick_g@windstream.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a triangular tower with legs on 14 ft centers, yes, 14 feet, not 
>> inches.  I built it with three separate concrete foundations, one per leg.  
>> It is currently tilted over so one leg is not touching its concrete embedded 
>> mechanical connection/mount.
>> 
>> It would seem that if I take an ohm meter reading between the unconnected 
>> leg's mount and one of the other mounts I will be getting a valid estimate 
>> of the Ufer ground quality of my tower installation's foundations.  It could 
>> be argued that I am actually measuring two Ufer grounds in parallel as two 
>> of the attachment points are bridged together by the tower.  I suppose I 
>> will also unbolt one of the hinged legs so I can measure independently from 
>> the non hinged leg mount to each hinged mount in turn.
>> 
>> There is plenty of rebar in the foundations.  The rebar cages are welded 
>> with allowances for the effect of welding on rebar (welded at ends and 
>> overlaps so no structural degradation.)  Each leg's foundation has three 
>> each pier holes augered with a 12 inch tractor mounted auger.  I moved the 
>> tractor a little while augering to get a larger hole. There is rebar in each 
>> pier hole and a rectangular cage connecting the three holes.  All rebar is 
>> welded so there is good conductivity throughout the rebar armatures.
>> 
>> Each set of three pier holes is topped by a 2'x2'x7' horizontal concrete 
>> beam with an extensive rebar cage that is well connected by welding to the 
>> rebar in the augered holes.  All rebar is at least 2 inches (typically 3) 
>> from the dirt/concrete interface.
>> 
>> Am I missing something?  Will a simple ohm meter test give a reasonable 
>> measure of Ufer ground quality, sufficient to decide the question of whether 
>> or not multiple copper clad ground rods need to be installed and 
>> interconnected?
>> 
>> Is it too much of a leap of faith or otherwise to assume the inter-leg 
>> resistance is an adequate predictor of tower mount to Mother Earth 
>> conductivity?
>> 
>> Just write your opinion on the back of a US $20 bank note and mail to my QSL 
>> address in QRZ.com including a SASE if you want a receipt and or thank you 
>> note.
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