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Re: [TowerTalk] multiband vertical dipole with a tuner

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] multiband vertical dipole with a tuner
From: John <jh.graves@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 14:03:49 -0500
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Jim,

I will admit to some prejudice in this discussion but you have peaked my interest. I do use a 10-40M 1/2 wave vertical. Why a vertical dipole instead of a half wave end fed vertical? The patterns should be similar and the feeding in unquestionably simpler. Also you have an easier time feeding multiple bands, and because it is end fed, the matching is simpler as well. I will admit that an 80 to 160 Meter vertical becomes "slightly ungainly" but again, it no harder to handle than the vertical dipole.

John  -  WA1JG



On 11/15/2013 1:13 PM, Jim Lux wrote:
So..
I'm a big believer in simple antennas, and dealing with matching separately from the mechanical designs. Jim's vertical dipole, basically a wire with coax and a choke is sort of the epitome of "simple design".

The "outside" of the coax is the second half of the dipole, and this has been seen forever in various and sundry "sleeve dipoles" of one sort or another.

One can go fancier with "hats" at the top and bottom to make something that presents a better match with a short (compared to wavelength) radiator.

So here's the question. Say you have some sort of tuner at the feedpoint, so feedline losses are minimized. How do you go about implementing the "1/4 wave of wire + 1/4 wave of coax" in that context, particularly when you are operating well away from resonance?

If you just hang the tuner with the choke, then you pick up the loss in the 1/4 wave of coax. Maybe that's a lot, maybe not (I'd have to go model it). Maybe using some sort of air dielectric for low loss might be better.

What about the bottom half of the antenna being open wire line? I'm thinking that this is less "sleeve-like" so it won't work.

One advantage of a physically short radiator is that the pattern doesn't change as you go up the bands. A 40m dipole has a pretty odd pattern on bands above 20, because the current distribution is strange.

Something that is, say, 25 ft () long is "short" on 40, but not hideously short. You've got a tuner so the narrow bandwidth isn't a problem. ( a lambda/8 dipole has a radiation resistance of 3 ohms.. 25 ft is about 8 meters, so you're at lambda/5, so I'd expect Rrad to be around 8 ohms


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