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Re: [TowerTalk] Impact of high water table levels on antennas

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Impact of high water table levels on antennas
From: Michael Tope <W4EF@dellroy.com>
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 18:47:12 -0800
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I think that would be true for a fresh water lake, John. OTOH, I would expect the the conductivity of water saturated soil to depend heavily on what materials dissolve into the water from the dry soil.

73, Mike W4EF...........

On 11/3/2013 3:37 PM, john@kk9a.com wrote:
I do not think fresh water has much effect on verticals and even less on
horizontal antennas.

John KK9A

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Subject:[TowerTalk] Impact of high water table levels on antennas
From:Rudy Bakalov <r_bakalov@yahoo.com>

Ever since I have put up two inv-Vs, one for 80m and one for 160m, with
their
apexes at roughly 90', I have been puzzled by their exceptional performance.
Ditto for my vertical on 40m.  I have done tons of comparisons using skimmer
data and my signal seems to be pretty darn close to the big stations I am
using
as my benchmark. The performance is so good that I have been wondering if I
should bother with building 4SQs. I have read tons of books on antennas and
the
performance of these two antennas simply does not match what the books
describe.

I shared my thoughts with a friend of mine (a WRTC2014 participant) and he
shared a similar experience with his station. He recently relocated to a new
place, about 30 miles from his old place, and his antennas at the new place
perform significantly better than the old location. Same antennas, tower,
feed
line, and FLAT terrain.  His only explanation is that the new place had a
very
high water table that somehow impacted antenna performance.

This is when I realized that I also have a very high water table. Even in
the
driest months of summer, the area around my tower is damp and the grass is
very
green, growing like crazy. This was the obvious common element between his
and
my situations.

I have not seen anything on high water tables in my antenna books.  The soil
itself is mostly sandy. The impact I believe I am seeing is mostly on the
lower
bands, but I am not sure if this is also the case on the upper bands as at
105'
my antennas are a bit too high.

Is there any rationale in our thinking? Can high water table explain better
than expected performance from low band antennas? If so, what is the theory
behind it and how do I take advantage of it? If not, any other suggestions
for
why the antennas work so well?


Rudy N2WQ

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