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[Towertalk] 40M 4 Sq vs. 2 el Yagi at 70 ft

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Subject: [Towertalk] 40M 4 Sq vs. 2 el Yagi at 70 ft
From: n4zr@contesting.com (Pete Smith)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:28:10 -0400
At 02:53 PM 10/12/02 -0400, Guy Olinger, K2AV wrote:
>If
>the centers were 70-100 feet, it WOULD play like a 2 element shorty
>forty.
>
>A bit of apples vs. oranges here.

I still don't think it would be close, at least so far as forward gain is 
concerned.  I have a 4-element lazy-vee parasitic array, and have modeled 
the array fed as a 4-square.  ~6 dBi is the best you can expect, at the 
nose of the main lobe, maybe 25 degrees elevation.  By contrast, a 
2-element yagi has ~5.5 dBi gain in free space, and benefits from up to 6 
dB of additional ground reflection gain.  At 70 feet, this means 10.6 dBi 
gain at 28 degrees, and only a tenth or two less at 25 degrees.  Even if 
you look further down the "underside" of the first lobe, say at 15 degrees, 
the gain of the 2-element yagi is still over 9 dBi, versus maybe 5 dBi for 
the 4-square.

Which is not to undermine KQ2M's points -- instant direction-change is 
terribly useful, and the better F/B and F/S of the 4-square will often let 
you hear better.

73, Pete N4ZR



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