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Re: [TowerTalk] C3 value?

Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] C3 value?
From: Phil Snyder <n9lah@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:21:01 -0500
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Very true for the LPDA, but if you read the specs on the C3 line of 
antennas, I believe they are a series of interlaced 2 element beams. 
That's why the C3 has a total of 6 elements for three bands. They claim 
it performs on 12 and 17 but from my experience with it at a couple of 
different stations ( C3, C3S and a C3SS) is that it is marginal at best. 
I had a C3SS here in the shed and was getting ready to put it up when a 
deal came along on a T-6. I sold the C3SS and put up the T-6. SWR on 20 
meters hasn't fallen in line with what some others claim as a 12 foot 
boom is on the short end for a LPDA on 20. I would guess that the T-8 
might come out a little better on that point.

Phil
N9LAH

Gene Smar wrote:
> Jim:
>
>      FWIW - A LPDA is at best a two element radiator.  The gain will likely 
> be less than that of a three element Yagi.  The LPDA provides a wider 
> bandwidth than the Yagi, hence its popularity with military, embassy, etc. 
> installations.  
>
>
> 73 de 
> Gene Smar  AD3F
>
>
> From: jim Jarvis <jimjarvis@optonline.net>
> Date: 2008/07/14 Mon PM 01:41:10 EDT
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] C3 value?
>
> TT:
>
> I just picked up a 12 year old Force 12 C3, in an estate/takedown  
> situation.
> At the same time, I had two guys approach me, to buy it from me.
>
> At the moment, I'm undecided whether to put this up, or to put up my  
> T8 lpda,
> for general purpose use, and light-duty contesting.
>
> Other than rusted uBolts which hold the elements on, the antenna is  
> clean and
> in good shape.    This is the 3 element version, which I take to be  
> the original C3.
> It uses F12's single feedline, direct connected for 20m, and  
> capacitively coupled for 10 and 15m.
> I guestimated a 16' boom length.   We were all too tired to measure  
> it, after the
> takedown.
>
> So, I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1)  What's a fair market value for the antenna?
>
> 2)  Does anyone have first hand experience with it, on 12 and 17m?    
> F12 says it works there.
>
> 3)  Does anyone have first hand experience of performance vs. an lpda?
>
> I have some thoughts on item 3.   That is, the Tennadyne logs  
> outperform trapped 3 el. tribanders,
> due to their efficiency.   The F12 antenna, however, is three  
> monobanders on a common boom.
> No traps.   So, I would expect the C3 to slighty outperform the log,  
> on three bands, stipulating that f/b, gain,
> and vswr curves may not align to actually produce the hoped for best- 
> cast performance.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> n2ea
>
>
>
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