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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] permit in hand
From: "Dick, W1KSZ" <w1ksz@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:25:46 -0400
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It's called Revenue Enhancement down at Town Hall. Nickel & Dime (only
the Nickel is $50 and the Dime is $100) them at every turn. Allows the
Town to keep running amok spending your money.
Fiscal responsibility is a 4-letter word to them.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

bill rubin wrote:
> You missed the point it was not the additional cost that it was excessive,
> it was the fact that then need a stamp on each page of the spec.  I have a
> PE stamped letter from Rohn that said per design 45G90110, and I walk them
> through the spec showing how it was cross referenced.  That was not good
> enough for them. They want a stamp on each page.
> 
> So why would they need a stamp on each page ?  The letter from Rohn with the
> stamp referencing the spec was good enough !  What margin of safety is a by
> having a stamp on each page ?  What value is have a PE stamp when the
> manufacture is TIA-222 compliant ?
> 
> Bill
> 
> On 8/31/07, BobK8IA@aol.com <BobK8IA@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> *Bill;*
>> **
>> *$400 Excessive? You have to be kidding. That's a joke, right? Good laugh
>> for a holiday weekend start. *
>> **
>> *The PE and land Surveyor both gave you a deal. If the PE had to run any
>> kind of thorough structural calculations at all, which he probably did to
>> satisfy himself that the canned design was competent for your specific soil
>> conditions, you should have been charged over $250. A gift.*
>> **
>> *PE seal/stamp on each page of the tower specs is not uncommon. I ran into
>> that several times in MI. *
>> **
>> *Similarly, I cant recall any RLS who would come out and do much of any
>> surveying for $100. Another gift.*
>> **
>> *You're right about it being cheaper than legal fees. $400 would have
>> bought you an hours time with most of the atty's I know. ;-)*
>> **
>> *Good luck with your project. *
>> **
>> **
>> *73, Bob K8IA*
>> **
>> *R.D. Epstein, PE*
>> *(Registered Professional Engineer in AZ and MI)*
>> *Mesa, AZ*
>> **
>> *-------------------------------*
>> **
>> **
>> In a message dated 8/31/2007 3:19:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
>> brubin2010@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Well I finally got the permit for a 90' tower. But not without issues and
>> additional expense.   My local zoning office  seems to believe that Rohn's
>> specs. or TIA-222 standard are not good enough. nor is a PE Stamp on a
>> letter saying the design provide is complaint.  They required each page of
>> the spec. have a PE Stamp.
>>
>> Cost $250
>>
>> Fedex info 3 times about $50
>>
>> Also my site plan needed a surveyors stamp.  A retired surveyor came out
>> looked. measured my house to road and driveway and said ok
>>
>> Cost $100.
>>
>> Additional Cost to project $400
>>
>> Was it excessive per PRB-1, yes as far as i am concerned, but to fight it
>> it
>> would have cost me more than $400 in legal fees and more time on the
>> project
>> with winter months ahead.
>>
>> So thats the update.
>>
>> 73's Bill N1HWC
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