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Re: [TowerTalk] TH6-DXX Band segment settings

To: "'Richard Karlquist'" <richard@karlquist.com>, "'Gerry Maira'" <sparks234@twc.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TH6-DXX Band segment settings
From: <maflukey@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 23:38:30 -0600
List-post: <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
Just reiterating Rick's comment about Hygain baluns...   I think there may
have been a couple of different models, but I've acquired nine used Hygain
monobanders over the years and the baluns that came with all of them were
not worth reinstalling.   So, I second Rick's advice to get decent balun for
your antenna.   Also, some folks have said that getting the driven element
adjusted properly on a TH-6 is a bit of a PITA.    If you have any way to do
that and mark it ahead of time it might save you some frustration up on the
tower later.

73 & good luck on your project.

Matt
KM5VI



-----Original Message-----
From: TowerTalk <towertalk-bounces@contesting.com> On Behalf Of Richard
Karlquist
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2024 2:53 PM
To: Gerry Maira <sparks234@twc.com>
Cc: 'towertalk@contesting.com' <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TH6-DXX Band segment settings

I see you dug up one of my old posts.  The only thing I would add to that
post is that is that anecdotal reports of using a tuner to extend the
bandwidth of such Yagi's may say "it seemed to work fine" only indicate that
no effective tests were done to measure it.  Consider
this:  the TH6DXX has 6 or maybe 7 dB gain over a dipole at best.  Using a
tuner, the gain will never be less than a dipole.  So it will work as well
as a dipole.  For casual operation, that may work just fine.  It's only down
1 S unit. 

Regarding baluns:  The TH6 was designed when hams were limited to 1kW DC
input equivalent to 600W RF out on a good day.  Using 1,500 W out may blow
the balun up, especially if you have high VSWR.  Recommend you make a
homebrew balun as per K9YC's cookbook.

---
Rick Karlquist
N6RK 

On 2024-11-07 10:35, Gerry Maira wrote:

> I recently bought a TH6-DXX in excellent condition and I'm getting 
> ready to put it up at 70'. With the space limitations I have, this 
> antenna is well suited for me since it can be put up 1/2 at a time - 2 
> 12-foot boom sections instead of the complete 24' boom. Once it's up, 
> it would be very difficult to make any changes. I plan to use a 
> Hy-Gain BN-4000B choke but also have a Radio Works Y1-5K or could make 
> one from RG-213.
> 
> I operate CW mostly and that is where performance is most important to 
> me. Phone coverage is important too, though not as much. Looking at 
> the SWR plots in the manual for the band segment choices (CW, Lo Phone 
> and Hi phone) it seems that CW would be the obvious choice for me.
> Those curves are steep though, and I wonder if with CW, I would still 
> have full coverage of 15 and 20 meters, using a tuner and possibly 
> reduced power for the high ends of those bands. Same goes for 10 
> meters, say up to 29.2 MHz but a lower freq. could be acceptable 
> there.
> 
> The other choice would be the Lo Phone setting, and using a tuner / 
> possibly reduced power at the low and high ends of the bands, 
> including where I spend most of my time on CW.
> 
> I couldn't find much info on this topic when searching the TT archives 
> but did find the old post below, and I'm a little concerned to say the 
> least! Was the antenna actually designed to be used only in one 
> segment of each band, even with a tuner? Will I be Ok with the CW 
> setting or would that give me serious problems on phone? If I used the 
> Lo Phone setting, would I have problems in the CW portions of the 
> bands running 750W and a tuner?
> 
> I used a TH6 frequently many years ago at a club station, but I don't 
> know how that one was set. It seemed to work fine on any freq but I 
> probably never tried it above 29 MHz on 10 meters. I would have been 
> using a tuner when the SWR was high, but there never seemed to be any 
> loss in performance - which was always very good. Never had to reduce 
> power from 800W either. The choke there was just several turns of
> RG-213 as described in the manual.
> 
> Any advice is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Gerry KA2MGE
> 
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> 
> You can see the bad news: choose from CW, low phone, or high phone.
> Hope you don't need more than one of those segments :-( Also, you 
> can't "cheat" the SWR curves by using a tuner. The pattern will 
> significantly degrade at the frequencies where the SWR is high. This 
> is why, IMHO, given a choice between a TH6 and TH7, picking the TH7 is 
> a no brainer. I used to have a TH6. I would never go back to that.
> Rick N6RK aschnabolk wrote: >_ Look at Page 2 of 7 in the "TH6DXX"
> (last one listed) Curves are there. As_ >_ I_ >_ remember mine when it 
> was up, curves were similar._ >_ 73_ >_ Al W2OIB_ 
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