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Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables

To: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" <richard@karlquist.com>, "topband@contesting.com" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: RG-6 Delay cables
From: Lee STRAHAN <k7tjr@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 03:57:23 +0000
List-post: <mailto:topband@contesting.com>
More on the cable testing,
    Thinking along the lines Rick was I decided to retest the same cable to see 
if the results were repeatable.
The original phase shift for both room temperatures was 59 deg. F and 23 deg. F 
 Results were -74.6 degrees and -0.61 dB to  -74.6 deg and  -0.58 dB loss warm 
to cold.
  VNA calibration was used at the start of each test again.
 Several hours after that test the room and cable were up to 61 deg. F . The 
second round of tests began.
The first test of phase delay matched the early tests with  -74.59 to -74.60 
degrees again with loss at -0.617 dB. Very close to the original tests.
     I decided to add 4 inches of cable to verify small changes in the 
readings. The reading then was -74.89 deg with loss of -0.618 db.
After freezing the cable for another couple hours the temp of it was again 
average 23 deg. F . Verified with a thermocouple meter and non-contact device.
The cable  phase delay was -74.62 deg.  with a loss of -0.517 db . This leaves 
some question on the loss number. Perhaps some cable tightening issue or 
misreading.
 I added the same 4 inch cable to the cold cable.
The result was -74.97 deg and -0.582 db loss. Loss matches the original tests.
 All this very respectable data with all the connector connecting and 
disconnecting and just finger tightening the connectors. I probably should have 
torqued them for the best result.
 As I mentioned before I think I am going to not worry about significant cable 
phase delay and loss changes with temperature. 
   Regards all and thanks for the tips and the bandwidth,  73
Lee   K7TJR  OR




On 4/8/2020 1:28 PM, Lee STRAHAN wrote:

>     Even if the copper center conductor expands, the way the cable connectors 
> are made allows the copper to simply push in the connector  past the 
> connection point maintaining its physical length.

Very astute.  You may have explained this paradox.
I didn't think of this type F effect.  Some type N connectors also work this 
way.

73
Rick N6RK

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