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Re: [TenTec] Model 411 amp (aka Centaur)

To: tentec@contesting.com, n4py3@earthlink.net, wb5jnc@centurytel.net
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Model 411 amp (aka Centaur)
From: Joe Papworth via TenTec <tentec@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:27:14 -0500
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     PS- Plate volts read around normal for no load.
    One thing that bugs me though is the in-rush sound. It's loud !!!
    
  
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Joe Papworth via TenTec &lt;tentec@contesting.com&gt;
  To: n4py3 &lt;n4py3@earthlink.net&gt;; tentec &lt;tentec@contesting.com&gt;; 
wb5jnc &lt;wb5jnc@centurytel.net&gt;
  Cc: k8mp &lt;k8mp@aol.com&gt;
  Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2016 4:20 pm
  Subject: Re: [TenTec] Model 411 amp (aka Centaur)
  
   
     
   
  It has stayed on with the tubes removed for a while.? 
  I'm examining/ohming the tubes now. 
   
   
  -----Original Message----- 
  From: Carl Moreschi &lt;n4py3@earthlink.net&gt; 
  To: wb5jnc &lt;wb5jnc@centurytel.net&gt;; Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment  
  &lt;tentec@contesting.com&gt; 
  Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2016 3:03 pm 
  Subject: Re: [TenTec] Model 411 amp (aka Centaur) 
   
    
    
    
  Don't overlook the possibility on an intermittent short in one of the 811's.  
    
  Carl Moreschi N4PY  
  58 Hogwood Rd  
  Louisburg, NC 27549  
  www.n4py.com  
    
  On 1/26/2016 2:54 PM, Al Gulseth wrote:  
  &gt; Joe,  
  &gt;  
  &gt; Just an ohms check may not be enough. You may be dealing with an  
  intermittent  
  &gt; breakdown under high voltage. A "hi-pot" (high potential) test with an  
  &gt; insulation tester etc. would be the only way to know for sure. A winding 
 
  &gt; layer to adjacent layer partial short in the HV side could also account 
for  
   
  &gt; your symptoms, and might not be obvious because the winding resistance  
  could  
  &gt; show right at the low edge of the manufacturer's spec. (I went through 
that  
   
  &gt; scenario years ago with a HV filter choke in a small AM BC transmitter.) 
 
  &gt;  
  &gt; 73 es GL, Al  
  &gt;  
  &gt; On Tue January 26 2016 11:28:03 am Joe Papworth via TenTec wrote:  
  &gt;&gt;     Thanks Andy. Was it the HV secondary that shorted?  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;    I isolated the HV secondary from the HV board and it reads open 
to  
  the  
  &gt;&gt; frame and chassis. (Reads about 45 ohms when connected to the board) 
 
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;    Thanks, Joe, K8MP  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   -----Original Message-----  
  &gt;&gt;   From: P C Andy Anderson&lt;xtraham58@hotmail.com&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment&lt;tentec@contesting.com&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2016 11:52 am  
  &gt;&gt;   Subject: Re: [TenTec] Model 411 amp (aka Centaur)  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   Joe, I had a similar problem with my Centurion AMP.  It eventually 
 
  failed  
  &gt;&gt;   completely. The secondary of the power transformer shorted to the  
  frame. I  
  &gt;&gt; had the Xformer rewound at TRS.  BTW this transformer problem is a  
  known.  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   73' Andy, W3LI  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   ________________________________________  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   Tuesday noontime, Joe:  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   I have a Centaur..............keep it covered when not in use.  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   My Elmer told me to always keep it covered..................dust 
is  
  the  
  &gt;&gt;   problem.  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   Even when covered, open it up every two-three years and do a 
internal  
   
  &gt;&gt;   cleaning.  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   N1MHC/alsirois  
  &gt;&gt;   =============  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   Gents,  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   Have any of you gone a few rounds with a Centaur amp?  
  &gt;&gt;   I have a one that blows fuses very intermittently. It vaporizes 
them  
  both,  
  &gt;&gt;   simultaneously, so it's apparently a dead-short somewhere. This  
  happens  
  &gt;&gt; even in stand-by. (i.e. No key-down)  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   Before I tear into it, anyone have any ideas of common failures in 
 
  these  
  &gt;&gt;   amps?  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;  
  &gt;&gt;   Later, Joe, K8MP  
  &gt;&gt;  
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