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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Top receivers
From: kc9cdt@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:33:00 -0400 (EDT)
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Yes...it'a all about the emission standards, FCC enforcement etc.
FCC is not doing the job...no surprise...all they want to do these days is sell 
frequency's.
Also, look at all the  crap operations on the bands...no calls, frofanity 
etc.....a lot of licences shoud be revoked etc.
73,
Lee



 


-----Original Message-----
From: d.e.warnick <d.e.warnick@comcast.net>
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 8:36 am
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Top receivers



There are currently emission standards, etc. that need to be met to gain FCC 
ype acceptance. If the current crop of transceivers meet these specifications & 
here is still a problem, then the specifications for FCC type acceptanced may 
or may not) need to be reviewed. There is a specification for 'spurious 
missions', as well as others. If they are not doing the job, then a thoroug h 
eview of those specs may be in order. 
What we do not need is any government authority dictating engineering such as a 
pecific type of component ("48v MOSFETs"). 
Please, please, please allow the consumer to drive the market, and be very 
autious about yet more government oversight where it has been proven time and 
gain to increase cost without solving anything. 
Just my take. 

We could solve a lot of issues on the air by better educating those among us 
who 
verdrive, tune improperly, overprocess, and run fa r more power than necess 
ry. (Yes, I do use a linear when necessary.) In the current Yemen & Somalia 
Xpeditions, I have had far more issues with bad operators than with bad 
ignals. (If I hear UP, LID, or worse one more time, I think I'll scream). I 
ave shut down & walked away several times, even though I need the band. My 
hoice, but that's not the ham radio that I have enjoyed for more than 45 years, 
nd I choose to not let it become that. There are guys calling without a break 
ven though a contact is in progress. If you want more government intervention, 
und the FCC's enforcement branch to clean this up. (No, I don't really want 
hat either but something has got to give). 

OK, I've had my rant. 
Happy Monday 

Dave 
WA3F 


----- Original Message -----

rom: "Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP" <Rick@DJ0IP.de> 
o: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com> 
ent: Monday, May 14, 2012 7:17:45 AM 
ubject: Re: [TenTec] Top receivers 
Bob, you hit it.  We need to stop making transmitters with 12v transistors. 
8v MOSFETs should be mandatory.  We do need laws to mandate this. 
The problem as I see it is with the mobile rigs. 
aybe we could allow rigs designed specifically for mobile use to still use 
2v transistors, but have a conspicuous message on the box and a warning 
abel on the rig, "NOT PERMITTED TO BE USED WITH A LINEAR AMPLIFIER". 
Surely 100w on a mobile whip can't do too much damage! 
YAESU definitely needs to clean up its act. 
he bands are flooded with FT-1000s which produce horrendous key clicks. 
ven though W8JI came up with a $2 fix for the problem just months after its 
nitial announcement, it took Yaesu nearly 6 years to finally incorporate 
hat fix into their new units. 
As Floyd pointed out, they still don't know how to build a rig that keys 
leanly - regardless of price. Shame shame! 
If we start now, maybe in 5 years we could get some legislation, and maybe 
n 15 years the bands will finally be cleaner. 
 don't expect to see it in my lifetime! 
73 
ick 
-----Original Message----- 
rom: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] 
n Behalf Of Bob McGraw - K4TAX 
ent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:28 AM 
o: floyd@k8ac.net; Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment 
ubject: Re: [TenTec] Top receivers 
Floyd, I agree with you and with many of the other writers.  The receiver 
erformance has been pushed ahead and largely demanded by "users" in a 
ompetitive market while the transmitter performance is largely controlled 
y outdated Government regulations. 
Yes, it is time to clean up the bands and push for cleaner transmitters and 
ower amps.  However, how does one control the outdated transmitters in use 
oday?  Put a time limit on them saying they must meet the current specs or 
e trashed by a certain date?  They have done that for other applications 
nd equipment such as the switch from analog TV to digital TV.  That was 
xpensive for everyone, specially the broadcasters.  But look how it forced 
he price of digital TV's down.  The price dropped some 75% in just 2 years. 
Imagine a top of the line ham transceiver for under $2K.  Of course one has 
o look at things differently, i.e. a business vs. a hobby.  Then there are 
ountries which mandate when a vehicle gets X number of years old they are 
rushed thus can no longer be used.  That was done to largely effect a 
eduction in air pollution and it worked.  Maybe that would work for ham 
adio. 
I'm all up for cleaner bands and cleaner signals.  I believe today we have 
o forgo the idea of 12 volt radios to attain that desired result. 
echnically there is no problem with that concern either.  As one wrote, 
here's the 200 watt class radio that only outputs 75 watts when running in 
lass A mode.  Are we willing to accept that fact or are we a culture that 
s too number driven? 
I don't like Government intervention any more than anyone else, but some 
ffort by manufactures, pushed by Government regulations and us buyers that 
ay our hard earned money for these boxes need to demand better 
ransmitters.  That's "better" in terms of cleaner, lower noise, and lower 
MD products and operators that  operate them correctly.  It is a very large 
opic and will need to be addressed on an international basis. 

3 
ob, K4TAX 


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