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Re: [TenTec] OCF antennas evolution

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] OCF antennas evolution
From: Richards <jrichards@k8jhr.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 01:30:30 -0400
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On 7/13/2013 12:25 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:

I said your feedline is contributing to the matching of your antenna on the
10m band and that you have excessive losses in your balun on that band.


                I don't believe it... or I don't care.
                You pick.

                ;-)

You need to study up on TLT (transmission line transformers).


                No, I need to spend more time on the
                air !!   The ARRL Handbook, The ARRL
                Antenna Book, my RadCom HF Antennas
                book, my book by Bill Orr, and so many  
                articles in QST it ain't funny, say it
                works.

                Heck, until this week, even you said
                it would work !



On ten meters, the feedline is reversing from current node to voltage node
every 6 ft.


                OK.  Sorry.  Cannot help it.  You did
                not mention this last year when I built it.

                (OF course you never even asked if I ACTUALLY
                USE IT ON 10 METERS... WHICH I DO NOT...
                because I pretty much wanted it for 40m and
                20m, and as an occasional backup antenna on
                15m  (considering my 40m ground plane and
                separate 15m aluminum rotatable dipole work
                15 meters, without any issues, also...) it
                is the third antenna choice here, anyway,
                so what if it sucks?

                So, let's just say it is irrelevant if it
                blows up on 10m.

                

You are measuring your impedance with a short coax stub but
even a couple of ft. of coax can distort your readings significantly.  If
you want to know what it really is, you should do as I asked you to do
earlier, attach an electrical half wavelength of coax to it and measure
again.


                OK... sorry.   My bad.     ;-(

                I measured the antenna very close to
                the feed point with a very short jumper,
                then again at the point where it meets the
                remote coax switch, and again where it
                meets the rig in the shack.  Same results
                every time.  So, I figure... close enough
                for Government work, and should just get on
                the air.  Too much talk about antennas, and
                not enough action.     ;-)

                I am going to live recklessly, and take
                a humungous risk using it... and call it
                good enough.   I love to live dangerously.
                                ;-)


You should either show us a model of your antenna showing that it works, or
measure it properly, then I'll agree that the antenna is working
efficiently.


                Phooey.  I don't need anyone's agreement.

                Heck, you said I should eschew modeling,
                and just build it and see how it works.

                It works.

                NOW, you tell me it sucks!

                Franky, I don't care if it is efficient on
                10 meters, or any other band, for that
                matter, because it is what it is.  Loads of
                guys have a good time using OCF dipoles, and
                so will I.

                Frankly, after this big row over OCF designs,
                I am starting to think one can over-analyze
                these things and maybe this time, I am
                better off just building and using it.  After
                all, a great many hams use this type of
                antenna with success and as it says on your
                web site, a good antenna is what meets one's
                expectations regardless of what the scientists
                say.  (that is a great quote on your site...)

                A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
                No knowledge is peace of mind.
                What I don't know won't hurt me.

                So... while I truly appreciate you trying
                to save me from myself, I elect to follow
                Stuart's advice, and just roll with it as
                it does not cause any known problems.  You
                know, no harm, no foul.    ;-)

                Thus, I will just use my dopey old antenna
                in blissful ignorance.

                
        Later, of course, I will read the stuff JB and the
        other guys have recommended - but after I return
        from taking my young bride camping a few days...  ;-)

        Thanks... this is a great outfit and I appreciate
        all I learn here.   Hope y'all take this in good
        humor.

        QRT.   Gone Fishing.

        
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