So who's is going to spearhead this and work with the ARRL Board? Chen and Joe
are among those who understand this and the implications, which the Board seems
not to.
I sent a simple note to my director asking why the Board did this and didn't
receive a response. My assumption is the Board is relying on advice from the
staff, and experienced RTTY op N2FF is no longer on the Board to represent our
interests.
Jim N7US
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On Nov 20, 2013, at 18:01, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com> wrote:
> On 11/20/2013 6:01 PM, Kai wrote:
> I think that discussion should center around what the BW limit
> shjould be for digital signals. The answer will likely be something
> between 2200 Hz and 2800 Hz, because signals as wide as 2200 Hz are
> already permitted. It's good to discuss this.
The discussion needs to extend *far* beyond hair-splitting between
2200 Hz and 2800 Hz. The discussions should include:
1) limits on the so called "semi automatic" operations that fire up
wherever and whenever they are called without any consideration
of other activity - activity that the calling station can not
hear.
2) limits on total occupied bandwidth - particularly in heavily used
(and shared) bands like 1.830-1.845, 3.570-3.600 MHz, 7.030-7.090
MHz, 10.125-10.150 MHz and 18.100-18.110 MHz - bands on which just
a few 2.5 KHz wide signals could dominate the entire "RTTY band"
3) If symbol rates are to be eliminated, so should the band limits
for "digital" operation and signals with greater occupied bandwidth
should be placed with other signals of similar occupied bandwidth.
4) requirements that all digital transmissions with more than 300 Hz
occupied bandwidth be identified in clear text using CW, ITA5 (170
Hz shift), or PSK31
5) requirements that stations engaged in automatic and "semi-automatic"
operation maintain a *listed* telephone whereby the licensee can be
notified of interference. a requirement that such interference be
be terminated within 10 minutes of placement of a call - not 10
minutes of retrieving a message.
6) requirements that any station using a digital modulation with
occupied bandwidth greater than 300 Hz include a functioning
"occupied channel detector" that prevents transmission if there is
*any* activity within 150% of the occupied bandwidth. Disabling
any "channel busy" detector would be presumptive evidence of
"intentional" interference.
7) requirements that all transmissions be in plain text - data
compression, if used, must be completely transparent so that
any portion of any transmission be readable in isolation.
The most important question is whether an occupied bandwidth greater
than 500 Hz is even justified for amateur digital operation. This
is after all the *amateur* service - not an alternative to the
internet or commercial common carriers.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
> On 11/20/2013 6:01 PM, Kai wrote:
> Thanks for the w8ji link. That was very instructional. But be careful.
> The signal occupied bandwidth (what we presume to want to regulate) does
> not always relate to the noise bandwidth (which relates to
> sensitivity). JT65 fro example sports a noise bandwidth of about 2.71
> Hz (yes, Hertz), but an occupied bandwidth of 175 Hz. Furthermore when
> operated as Joe Taylor intended at HF, you want to allow 2-4 kHz for
> JT65 users because multiple simultaneous users in the the 2-4kHz BW are
> decoded and presented to the user, just like in PSK31 (62 Hz/user).
>
> The ARRL proposal does nothing more than to remove the archaic and no
> longer relevant baud rate definitions of digital modes. They opted
> instead to propose regulating digital signals by a maximum BW, and chose
> 2.8 kHz to harmonize with the FCC/NTIA regulatikon already in effect for
> the 60m channels.
>
> There are no changes to RTTY (which occupies 250 Hz per user at 170 Hz
> shift and 45.45 baud - there are wider RTTY ham signals in use as well)
> or how RTTY is used in contests.
>
> Today under the present baud rate restrictions we already hear digital
> signals as wide as 2,200 Hz in HF (PACTOR) and all is still right with
> the world.
>
> The Canadian ham regulators already limit all emissions in HF bands
> below 28 MHz to 6kHz without regulating anything further about mode.
>
> I think that discussion should center around what the BW limit shjould
> be for digital signals. The answer will likely be something between 2200
> Hz and 2800 Hz, because signals as wide as 2200 Hz are already
> permitted. It's good to discuss this.
>
> 73,
> Kai, KE4PT
>
>
>
>> On 11/20/2013 9:42 AM, David Cole wrote:
>> Al,
>>
>> Thank you for that link! I now understand the dangers.
>
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