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Re: [RFI] FW: RF noise and ground

To: "'David Eckhardt'" <davearea51a@gmail.com>, <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] FW: RF noise and ground
From: <nlsa@nlsa.com>
Reply-to: nlsa@nlsa.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 17:41:40 -0500
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Dave & Jim - 
I confess to having slipped back into the "Earth is a noise sink" mentality.  
All of my electronic subsystems are mounted in aluminum enclosures that reside 
in racks inside the upper part of the antenna support.  Assuming that the rack 
rails are bonded to each other and to the heavy ground conductor through the 
slip ring, do you think that being bolted to the common rails is a decent means 
of bonding the subsystems for near-miss lightning protection?   
Thank you,
Michael, W9IP

-----Original Message-----
From: RFI <rfi-bounces+nlsa=nlsa.com@contesting.com> On Behalf Of David Eckhardt
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2025 4:28 PM
To: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Cc: rfi@contesting.com; Ham-Antennas <main@ham-antennas.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RFI] FW: RF noise and ground

The average ham's concept of "ground" is usually completely off the wall
and absolutely incorrect.   As Jim stated, "ground" (the Brit's got it
right using the term "earth!) is not a sump/sink for everything bad associated 
with RF and/or RFI.

How many time do we hear or read as a "solution" to RF-in-the-Shack:
"Connect a ground"?  BS!!  What if your "ground" *(earth) conductor is 33-feet 
to your "ground" (earth) connection?  That's a quarter wave on 40-meters, so 
you have a floating - open circuit - to your "ground" (earth) connection.  
Also, its an open circuit at odd harmonics of 7.15 MHz.  Do you have a reliable 
"ground" (earth) connection?  Absolutely not!

In addition, "ground" rods are NOT sufficient for lightning remediation.
They are highly resistive to the preverbial "RF garbage sump/sink" that most 
hams believe a single "ground" (earth) rod provides.  Further, for them (notice 
plural) to remain effective over time, they must be periodically treated with a 
solution of CuSO4 (blue vitrol) or NaCl (garden variety salt).

The absolute most important item to address in lightning remediation is that 
everything of concern (electronics) floats up and down in potential together.  
That requirement eliminates a "standard practice" of connecting everything 
together with copper wire, even of heavy gauge copper wire. When 10-thousands 
of amperes are encountered from a lightning strike, even nanoHenries of 
inductance forms a reflective circuit element!  Look at the feed coax at the 
very base of any AM BC transmitter.  The coax cable is usually dressed in a 
large loop before it enter the tower.  This loop introduces enough +jX 
(inductive reactance) to keep "most" of the potentially damaging elements of 
the strike out of the matching network and transmitter.  The requirement I 
described requires EVERYTHING of concern sit on a large highly conductive sheet 
and each piece of equipment of concern be BONDED to that highly conductive 
sheet.  Doing so results in no potential differences (high voltages) between 
the electronics placed and bonded to that sheet.  A connection from that sheet 
to "ground" (earth) then bleeds off any charge the sheet may have accumulated.

Thanks, Jim, for motivating me to write this email!🙂😀😉

Dave - WØLEV

On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 7:15 PM Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On 1/23/2025 4:30 AM, nlsa@nlsa.com wrote:
> > Question:  I’ll bet that my noise floor could be improved by a 
> > better RF
> connection to Earth, but how can I do it?  What mode does EMI take in 
> this situation?  What is “ground” in a non-metallic enclosure?
> >
> The earth is not a sump into which noise is poured. The ONLY reason 
> for an earth connection, and it is ABOUT LIFE OR DEATH, is LIGHTNING 
> PROTECTION, and it is required by LAW. So is the bonding of everything.
>
> I would not expect any noise reduction at VHF from an earth 
> connection, but proper grounding and bonding is required by Electrical 
> Codes, which are LAW, and for human safety.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>
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