How do you work these updates it seems that they are can't see the dell
as an Orinoco/Agere card.
Regards
Mark McKibbin
DCS Internet
64 Queen St
Warragul
Victoria 3820
Australia
www.dcsi.net.au
mark@team.dcsi.net.au
Ph. 1300 665 575 (Help Desk)
Ph. +61 356 241 120 (Direct)
Fx. 1300 556 595
Fx. +61 356 220 617
-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan [mailto:blsutton@airnetwifi.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:06 AM
To: Karlnet Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
You got 'em
bls
Dan Metcalf wrote:
>If you send it direct to me, I'll put it on my webserver and post the
>link
>
>Dan.metcalf@wbisp.com
>
>Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
>>
>>
>[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
>
>
>>On Behalf Of Bryan
>>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:33 PM
>>To: Karlnet Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
>>
>>If these 2 attachments make it thru - here are the only 2 I have...
>>
>>bls
>>
>>Mark McKibbin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I can't find them on the Agere site or the Dell one
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>Mark McKibbin
>>>DCS Internet
>>>64 Queen St
>>>Warragul
>>>Victoria 3820
>>>Australia
>>>www.dcsi.net.au
>>>mark@team.dcsi.net.au
>>>Ph. 1300 665 575 (Help Desk)
>>>Ph. +61 356 241 120 (Direct)
>>>Fx. 1300 556 595
>>>Fx. +61 356 220 617
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Dan Metcalf [mailto:dan.metcalf@wbsysnet.com]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:16 AM
>>>To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
>>>Subject: RE: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
>>>
>>>Were can I download the "firmware & flash" for the Orinoco radios?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Behalf Of Kevin Knuth
>>>>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:04 PM
>>>>To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
>>>>Subject: RE: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
>>>>
>>>>Yes I do!
>>>>
>>>>I will forward this to engineering RIGHT AWAY!
>>>>
>>>>Kevin
>>>>
>>>>**************************************
>>>>Kevin R. Knuth
>>>>Business Development Manager
>>>>North America
>>>>260-424-9690 Regional Office
>>>>614-822-5275 Corporate Office
>>>>kknuth@karlnet.com
>>>>www.karlnet.com
>>>>**************************************
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
>>>>[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hrbek
>>>>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:23 PM
>>>>To: Karlnet Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I've seen the same exact think on my first 3 KN-50 installs. I
>>>>replaced
>>>>the Dell cards all three times with older silvers and the links went
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>from marginally working to working perfectly.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Karlnet....you got your ears on?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-bob
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Timothy J. Steele" <tsteele@e-isco.com>
>>>>To: <karlnet@wispnotes.com>
>>>>Cc: <support@karlnet.com>
>>>>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:10 PM
>>>>Subject: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Last month there was a post to a thread from Mark McKibbin (see
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>http://lists.wispnotes.com/pipermail/karlnet/2003-October/003153.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>><http://lists.wispnotes.com/pipermail/karlnet/2003-October/003146.html
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>) in regards to the KN50 "Blackbird" units. His questions were in
>>>>>regards to the poor link quality of the Orinoco Gold cards and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>other
>
>
>>>>>cards that have been included with the units. We have been
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>experiencing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>similar problems (our units were purchased with Dell TrueMobile
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>Radios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>(Agere chipset Firmware rev. 8.10.1)). I have been running tests
>>>>>
>>>>>
>on
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>number of different cards with the KN50. The following are the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>results:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>NOTE: These tests were conducted on live point-to-multipoint
>>>>>connections. We used all the same hardware for our testing; the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>only
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>change was the radio card for each test. The KN50 board was
>>>>>classified as a SOHO CPE with product v1.00-00-073017. Our average
>>>>>connection speed with a 1024k key is around 700-900k. The Base
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>units
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>we used for testing are using software versions 4.43 and 4.44.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>They
>
>
>>>>>have a varied number of subscribers, from 4 (a new site) up to 50+
>>>>>(our oldest site). On all these tests, the SNR was between 12dB and
>>>>>18dB upstream to Base and 21dB to 30dB downstream from Base.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dell Radio:
>>>>>Chipset: Agere
>>>>>Firmware ver.: 8.10.1
>>>>>PING test (a standard IP tools PING test from a PC through the Base
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the CPE (100 packets)): 73% of the packets lost Throughput test (5
>>>>>bandwidth tests from 2wire.com and dslreports.com): 278, 112, 245,
>>>>>237, 298 (speed measured in kilobits)
>>>>>NOTE: The packets lost in the PING test are RARELY noted on the
>>>>>client side (i.e. surfing the Internet, Web Page comes up
>>>>>unavailable). They just notice a significant slowdown.
>>>>>
>>>>>Orinoco Gold:
>>>>>Chipset: Agere
>>>>>FW ver: 8.72.1
>>>>>PING test: 64% lost
>>>>>Throughput: 451, 368, 519, 259, 311
>>>>>
>>>>>Orinoco Silver:
>>>>>Chipset: Agere
>>>>>FW ver: 6.6.1
>>>>>PING test: 0% lost
>>>>>Throughput: 676, 574, 481, 625, 616
>>>>>
>>>>>Avaya Radio:
>>>>>Chipset: Agere
>>>>>FW ver: 6.8.1
>>>>>PING test: 0% lost
>>>>>Throughput: 550, 447, 380, 571, 561
>>>>>
>>>>>Wave Wireless Radio:
>>>>>Chipset: Agere
>>>>>FW ver: 6.8.1
>>>>>PING test: 1% lost
>>>>>Throughput: 515, 660, 674, 553, 622
>>>>>
>>>>>Demarctech Prism Radio:
>>>>>Chipset: Intersil (800C)
>>>>>FW ver: 1.3.6
>>>>>PING test: 3%
>>>>>Throughput 591, 745, 652, 733, 725
>>>>>
>>>>>At the location where we were doing the final throughput tests, an
>>>>>NDIS install in a local server has the following results: PING
>>>>>
>>>>>
>test:
>
>
>>>>>1% lost
>>>>>Throughput: 725, 989, 867, 967, 802
>>>>>
>>>>>I realize that the PING test is hardly conclusive, but it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>definitely
>
>
>>>>>coincides with the lower bandwidth connections. Does anyone else
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>have
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>similar findings? One other point of note is that the PING test on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>unit connected to a highly utilized Base has significantly more
>>>>>dropped packets on the Dell and Orinoco Gold cards (i.e. The cards
>>>>>are noted with a 73% and 64% loss on a Base with 40+ subscribers,
>>>>>these numbers drop to 35% and 23% on a Base with 20 or less
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>clients).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>This would indicate Base unit over saturation, but we can connect a
>>>>>standard NDIS
>>>>>(radio) client or a KN100 board and the PING tests and throughput
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>tests
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>are excellent (0% loss, avg. 880k throughput).
>>>>>
>>>>>It appears that cards running older versions of firmware (6.x.x) do
>>>>>not have the problems that newer firmware (8.x.x) have; at least in
>>>>>regards to the KN50. I have upgraded the Orinoco Silver card to
>>>>>v8.7.5 firmware and it exhibits the same problems. I downgraded
>>>>>
>>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>>>firmware and the problem goes away. Our only option, at this
>>>>>
>>>>>
>point,
>
>
>>>>>is to downgrade the firmware on the newer cards or try to find
>>>>>
>>>>>
>older
>
>
>>>>>silver cards with the external antenna attachment (seeing as how
>>>>>
>>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>>>new silvers do not have them anymore).
>>>>>
>>>>>I tested the Orinoco Gold and the Dell Radio in a KN100 board with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>following results:
>>>>>
>>>>>OG:
>>>>>PING test: 0% lost
>>>>>Throughput: 714, 784, 987, 966, 908
>>>>>
>>>>>Dell:
>>>>>PING Test: 1% lost
>>>>>Throughput: 837, 664, 843, 767, 813
>>>>>
>>>>>This looks like a problem with the KN50's and newer Agere firmware.
>>>>>Anytime you install 8.x firmware on any radio in the KN50,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>performance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>is significantly reduced and there is a high amount of IP packet
>>>>>failure. Our research team would like to know if anyone else
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>concurs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>with these findings and is there a solution in the works. If not,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>there anymore testing you would like from our end to get this issue
>>>>>resolved?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Tim Steele & Marcus Rudd
>>>>>Wireless Networking Engineers
>>>>>e-ISCO Internet
>>>>>www.e-isco.com <http://www.e-isco.com/>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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